Circle Kick & Multiple Attacks?

[Morgenes]

Hey, was looking through the feats in Sword & Fist, and came across Circle Kick. The description says that if you make a successful unarmed attack, you can make another unarmed attack against another opponent that is within the area you threaten.

My first question is if this is like Great Cleave, or is there a limit to the number of times you can do this? For example, if I hit on the second attack, can I attack another apponent?

Second question is if this applies to each attack I make in a full attack action. So if I get three attacks a round, do I have the possibility of attacking 6 times (assuming I have at least two opponents threatened)?

Third question is about the attack bonus for the circle kick's bonus attack. Does the second attack (and possibly more, see first question) go at the same base attack bonus as the first?

My gut feeling is this allows you only to attack a second person with your first attack, but it does not specify.

 

[Artoomis]

If you quote the relevant parts of the feat here, I could probabaly give you a definitive answer.

As it is, IIRC, it takes a full attack to do this, making this a very weak feat since you can only get one attack. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[Morgenes]

Quote from Sword & Fist:

You kick multiple opponents with the same attack action.

Benefit: A successful unarmed attack roll allows you to make a second attack roll against a different opponent that is within the area that you threaten. This feat requires the full attack action.

 

[borc killer]

This feat works just like Great Cleave but you don’t have to kill the person. Well… that is if you take it at face value… maybe the Sage has talked about it or something but baring that just use the same rules as Great Cleave. Also it would not surprise me greatly to see it in the Complete Warrior book… it will be nice to pitch my S&F… which was one of the worst books they put out as fare as editing and balance is concerned.

Borc Killer

 

[Camarath]

The FAQ States:

How does the Circle Kick feat work for a monk or other character with multiple atacks? Or for a monk who uses a flurry of blows? Does each successful unarmed attack roll allow a second attack against a different opponent?
A character using Circle Kick makes one attack. If this single attack hits, the character makes a second attack at the same attack bonus as the first.

 

[Hypersmurf]

What you'll find is that the second printing of Sword and Fist reworded the feat to make it much clearer, and it matches the FAQ answer Camarath quoted.

The wording now includes the same phrase they put into Dirty Fighting:

"When you take the full attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make a single [unarmed] attack..."

One attack. No more. If it hits, you get one more attack on a different opponent. No more. Then it stops.

-Hyp.

 

[borc killer]

WOW what a bad feat. So it works the same way Dirty Fighting works. *shurg* they should have just left it out.

Bork Killer

 

[Morgenes]

WOW what a bad feat. So it works the same way Dirty Fighting works. *shurg* they should have just left it out.

Bork Killer

I completely agree. It's worthless. Thanks for the clarification!

 

[Nightchilde-2]

I completely agree. It's worthless. Thanks for the clarification!

Complete Warrior has a very similar-sounding feat (Roundabout Kick), but it works basically like this; if you get a critical with an unarmed attack, you get to make a free attack at the same attack bonus.

So, for example, you have +16/+11/+6 attack bonus. Let's say you get a critical on the +11, you get another free unarmed attack also at a +11 bonus.

 

[jgsugden]

In defense of the first version of the feat, it is better than you think in two situations (at least in 3.0 before the revisions to the monk).

1.) If you had power attack, sometimes it was better to have two attacks at a full AB and use power attack than to have the monk progression and not use power attack. It resulted in higher expected damage.

2.) When fighting multiple opponents with a very high AC, the feat allowed you to get one or two attacks off against them that had a chance to hit, as opposed to a flurry that was almost pointless because of the bad AB.

This feat was bad, because those two circumstances were rare, but it was useful every once in a while.