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<blockquote data-quote="CajunAzn" data-source="post: 5073309" data-attributes="member: 87718">Another good point (I really appreciate your counter examples, btw). &nbsp;Of course, the Shadeform power allows you much more flexibility in using stealth than in the normal case. &nbsp;Looking at the rules for stealth, you'll quickly see why this is the case:&nbsp;&nbsp;Normally, if a hidden character (who only has allies for cover) starts his turn with a move action, he cannot hide again at the end of that move. This is because he lost invisibility at the start of his turn (for being in an uncovered square) and &quot;you can’t become hidden again as part of that same action&quot; that you lost invisibility on.&nbsp;So what does he do? He has to use his standard action to move again! And he has to end that move on a square with superior cover from allies. Whereupon, he must make another stealth check. If he moves 3+ squares with the second move, he also takes a large penalty to that hide check.&nbsp;These are very limiting restrictions, and the character has to coordinate very carefully with his group in order to sneak up to an enemy on an open battlefield. And this as it should be, because hiding on an open battlefield is difficult, but very possible with a well coordinated group.&nbsp;However, with Shade Form:&nbsp;&nbsp;On an open battlefield, the assassin only needs to get standard cover (1-2 blocked lines) from his allies to start his invisibility and can move to any square with standard cover to stay invisible (or attempt to stay invisible if he moves 3+ sqaures). &nbsp;Unlike the normal character, the assassin can move at the start without losing his invisibilty as long as his starting square and each square he moves on has just one line of cover. Therefore the assassin can use his second action to attack, with the benefits of invisibility, whereas the normal character would have lost the benefits of invisiblity by the second action. &nbsp;This is a huge difference, and well worth choosing an the Assassin class if a player likes stealth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CajunAzn, post: 5073309, member: 87718"] Another good point (I really appreciate your counter examples, btw). Of course, the Shadeform power allows you much more flexibility in using stealth than in the normal case. Looking at the rules for stealth, you'll quickly see why this is the case: Normally, if a hidden character (who only has allies for cover) starts his turn with a move action, he [B]cannot[/B] hide again at the end of that move. This is because he lost invisibility at the start of his turn (for being in an uncovered square) and "you can’t become hidden again as part of that same action" that you lost invisibility on. So what does he do? He has to use his standard action to move again! And he has to [I]end[/I] that move on a square with superior cover from allies. Whereupon, he must make another stealth check. If he moves 3+ squares with the second move, he also takes a large penalty to that hide check. These are very limiting restrictions, and the character has to coordinate very carefully with his group in order to sneak up to an enemy on an open battlefield. And this as it should be, because hiding on an open battlefield is [I]difficult[/I], but very possible with a well coordinated group. However, with Shade Form: On an open battlefield, the assassin only needs to get standard cover (1-2 blocked lines) from his allies to [B]start[/B] his invisibility and can move to any square with standard cover to [B]stay[/B] invisible (or attempt to stay invisible if he moves 3+ sqaures). Unlike the normal character, the assassin can move at the start without losing his invisibilty as long as his starting square and each square he moves on has just one line of cover. Therefore the assassin can use his second action to attack, with the benefits of invisibility, whereas the normal character would have lost the benefits of invisiblity by the second action. This is a huge difference, and well worth choosing an the Assassin class if a player likes stealth. [/QUOTE]

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