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<blockquote data-quote="eriktheguy" data-source="post: 5073705" data-attributes="member: 83662">I have to agree with abdul and draco on thisLiteral interpretation of the rules seems to suggest that you can stealth behind allies, but you instantly become unstealthed afterwards.Your argument is pretty sound to a point OP, but at some point your argument essentially boils down to&quot;Well it would really make sense IF it was this way, and it seems like the rules might have been MEANT to work this way, and some of the rules only make sense IF it works this way, and it would be fair and balanced and fun IF it worked this way...&quot;which is a good argument if you are a fun DM running a fun campaign (which I assume you are by your posts), but not a good argument for RAW.It seems clear that you cannot use allies to effectively stealth in combat.If this is coming up at your table, I suggest quickly making the following house rules.1: You cannot use an ally as cover to make a stealth check in combat (just to clarify what this thread seems to have decided)2:Feat: clever feat nameEffect: You can use allies for cover in combat for the purpose of making stealth checks. You gain a +1 feat bonus to stealth checks to become and remain hidden.Don't you think that using a feat emphasizes the difficulty of co-ordinating with allies that you were mentioning? Or do you think its only balanced as a power?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="eriktheguy, post: 5073705, member: 83662"] I have to agree with abdul and draco on this Literal interpretation of the rules seems to suggest that you can stealth behind allies, but you instantly become unstealthed afterwards. Your argument is pretty sound to a point OP, but at some point your argument essentially boils down to "Well it would really make sense IF it was this way, and it seems like the rules might have been MEANT to work this way, and some of the rules only make sense IF it works this way, and it would be fair and balanced and fun IF it worked this way..." which is a good argument if you are a fun DM running a fun campaign (which I assume you are by your posts), but not a good argument for RAW. It seems clear that you cannot use allies to effectively stealth in combat. If this is coming up at your table, I suggest quickly making the following house rules. 1: You cannot use an ally as cover to make a stealth check in combat (just to clarify what this thread seems to have decided) 2: Feat: [I]clever feat name[/I] Effect: You can use allies for cover in combat for the purpose of making stealth checks. You gain a +1 feat bonus to stealth checks to become and remain hidden. Don't you think that using a feat emphasizes the difficulty of co-ordinating with allies that you were mentioning? Or do you think its only balanced as a power? [/QUOTE]

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