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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5073766" data-attributes="member: 82106">I just entirely disagree with you that remaining hidden is something you only check at some specific time. The conditions to remain hidden must prevail at ALL TIMES and one of them is that you have cover/concealment not provided by allies. There is no requirement that anything 'change'. The stealth rules state that you must "Keep Out of Sight" to remain hidden. They specifically say that allies do not provide that function even though they may provide cover.The section entitled "Not Remaining Hidden" simply talks about actions you take that cause you to not be hidden anymore. It never states nor can it be construed in any way to mean that you cannot be revealed by other circumstances or that any condition must change.The example of Fleeting Ghost is INFINITELY relevant. FG grants an unconditional Stealth check. The reason this check does not let you hide in plain sight is ONLY because you instantly fail to meet the keeping hidden requirements. This is exactly analogous to your use of allies.This is the nut of the argument. Everything else is extraneous. Show me the rules text which says that you only change your hidden status when something changes. Hidden status is a state and can only exist when certain things are true. Being covered by allies is not one of those things that lets it be true. As far as I'm concerned the fact that you can hide behind a wall of allies is simply a rules artifact and the designers had no reason to add text to deal with it simply because its largely irrelevant. Most likely they never even thought to ask themselves this question.I would strongly advise asking this question on the WotC Q&A forums because there are a LOT of very sharp rules lawyers there and I think you'll learn a lot about stealth very quickly. I think you understand the basics of it pretty well, but believe me there have been a lot of LONG in depth analysis of the whole rule and all its interactions and what various shades of interpretation there are on different things. If you can find some of the older threads there on the topic it will probably help too.</blockquote>

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