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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 5350674" data-attributes="member: 23977"><p>Eh... I don't know.</p><p></p><p>I mean reformatting sure, and some new bits sure... But Have any of the changes wrought by Essentials really forced anything in the game to b re-worked to exist per RAW?</p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm missing something?</p><p></p><p>For instance Magic Items gained a keyword and you can no longer buy/craft some of them. But their power level didn't change, so if you character just keeps on keepin on with the ones he has- it's not against RAW.</p><p></p><p>A new type of Fighter is introduced, but nothing about it changed the one that currently exists.</p><p></p><p>Even if they re-format the old fighter into essentials book format, I'm thinking all that means is re-arranging the layout, not the rules.</p><p></p><p>What I'm getting at is for me, an edition change really has to force my old stuff to be re-worked for it to still be relevant. Nohing brought on by Essentials seems to have done that..</p><p></p><p>I guess the argument can be made that all the various rules updates end up equaling a .whatever edition... But then that b rings me to my other thought:</p><p></p><p>Since 4e exists as sort of two layers... An underlying "everyone is effected by these rules" system, and then the parts that "hook on" IE only people who use this part are effected by these rules... Only changes to the underlying system amount to much of an effect on the game.</p><p></p><p>And if you look at those changes I think we'd be only at like 4.01 at most... and that's just silly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah they changed the format of the books. Shrug. I was annoyed when campaign settings changed from boxed sets to hardbacks. Stuff happens. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For us- not that great of a bargain. For new players- it can be. If you're a gotta get them all- type player it probably won't be... </p><p></p><p>I think once the new stuff starts coming out in this format we'll see the bargains too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 5350674, member: 23977"] Eh... I don't know. I mean reformatting sure, and some new bits sure... But Have any of the changes wrought by Essentials really forced anything in the game to b re-worked to exist per RAW? Maybe I'm missing something? For instance Magic Items gained a keyword and you can no longer buy/craft some of them. But their power level didn't change, so if you character just keeps on keepin on with the ones he has- it's not against RAW. A new type of Fighter is introduced, but nothing about it changed the one that currently exists. Even if they re-format the old fighter into essentials book format, I'm thinking all that means is re-arranging the layout, not the rules. What I'm getting at is for me, an edition change really has to force my old stuff to be re-worked for it to still be relevant. Nohing brought on by Essentials seems to have done that.. I guess the argument can be made that all the various rules updates end up equaling a .whatever edition... But then that b rings me to my other thought: Since 4e exists as sort of two layers... An underlying "everyone is effected by these rules" system, and then the parts that "hook on" IE only people who use this part are effected by these rules... Only changes to the underlying system amount to much of an effect on the game. And if you look at those changes I think we'd be only at like 4.01 at most... and that's just silly. :P Yeah they changed the format of the books. Shrug. I was annoyed when campaign settings changed from boxed sets to hardbacks. Stuff happens. :P For us- not that great of a bargain. For new players- it can be. If you're a gotta get them all- type player it probably won't be... I think once the new stuff starts coming out in this format we'll see the bargains too. [/QUOTE]
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