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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Erdrick Dragin" data-source="post: 5352103" data-attributes="member: 88106">You missed my other point. The fact that they're repeating 3.0/3.5 all over again.You're going to have Core-only 4E players, Essentials only 4E players, or both. 4E is doing real bad right now, considering they actually TIED with Pathfinder on their sales. For the biggest RPG in the world to get shown up by, in a sense, a "rookie" is pretty indicative of what's happening to their fan base --- They're really, really mad. This Essentials line is making it much worse. From gaming shops and the gamers I talk to in my region, even the pro-4E people, are either shaking their heads and going,"I told you a 4.5e was coming, they're just more clever about it this time. But it's still screwed up."If this was about errata, then re-release errata books, or better yet, just the Rules Compendium. No, it's not just about errata. It's about "cleaning" everything up, repackaging, re-selling. Adding and altering many aspects of the game that makes it different enough from the Core where you might as well just come out and say it instead of insulting the customers by covering it up. And they've caught themselves in a lie. 4E's design, as stated dozens of times before, was meant to be "pick up and play", easier for newcomers to join in, easier for old gamers to come back to gaming with D&D again after two decades, and so on. So what this Essentials line is telling me is that they've lied to me originally about the intent of the design, and now they're going to make and support D&D 4E for both Twiddle-Dee and Twiddle-Dumb? Also, they're going to continue offering support for both Core and Essentials lines? Two lines!? Is that necessary? So now we have 2 versions of the same game being supported? I can hear the ravings now. Why didn't they just continue to support both 3.5e AND 4E? In fact, why haven't they continued supporting all the editions? A smart business decision would be to do what World of Warcraft does, since they modeled 4E on them anyway --- let the ones that don't have the expansion still be able to play your game. I don't have Wrath of the Lich King, but I can still play WoW and get all the updates. I'm not locked out. WotC should've done 1 or 2 large books a year, with 1e/2e/3e support. 3e versions of 4e monsters, 2e kits of 4e paragon paths, 1e versions of 4e classes, etc. That would've been the best move for them financially. They'll be raking in cash from all the old edition players who will immediately buy that book (and, heck, once or twice a year? It'll sell out so quickly) and with continued support of 4E, still rake in the cash from that!You'd have to be a WotC zealot to not be able to admit that WotC was just fine at 3.5e and, if anything, should've gone the Pathfinder route of fixing 3rd Edition up. Any sensible person would have to admit, yes, WotC is screwing up badly, yet again, and I don't think they should have the privilege of owning the brand and are much better off selling it to someone that cares, knows what they're doing, and won't screw people over (Paizo would've been awesome).I am calling it like I see it. I really don't understand why anyone would spin it any other way in their defense. They don't have much of a defense other than they have a "revolving door" employee circle making all these changes and decisions. Another set of layoffs and resignations (hm, I wonder why so many are quitting?) will come in just another 6 months or so, and we'll have another round of unnecessary changes from the new blood.I never thought I'd say this but...I really miss TSR.</blockquote>

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