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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5353965" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>You mean things like the math behind monsters, skill DC's, etc.? </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Let me just state this sounds totally subjective... instead of you looking at the actual changes that have been implemented and judging them objectively... you've set up a PiTA test that only you know and decide the criteria of. It's sorta like me saying that casters overshadowing melee fighters in 3.5 wasn't a problem... because it didn't cause problems for me... when there very much is objective evidence to support that after a certain level the options spellcasters have is much greater than non-spellcasters.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>And yet changes to major, overarching systems... such as skill challenges and DC's have been implemented...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Same could be said for feats, class abilities... even classes themselves in 3.5. How does the Ranger class being changed affect anyone except a player who is currently playing a Ranger?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Sort of like the new magic item rules? </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Some would say the same thing about the change from 3.0 to 3.5...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I don't know if I would necessarily agree with this, it all depends on what changes you are talking about. Changing skill DC"s wasn't an addition, changes to the magic items rules wasn't an addition... unless in the same way having a 3.0 and 3.5 Ranger was an addition. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>This logic, IMO, is so flawed I don't know where to begin. I mean it can be applied to any change from 3.0 to 3.5 as easily as you have applied it to 4e. Honestly I think it boils down to the fact that you like 4e better and thus subjectively you find it easier to dismiss the changes as insignificant, whereas with 3.0 and 3.5 it is the opposite. I'd love for you to compare what you feel are the major changes between 3.0 and 3.5 vs. 4e classic and 4e essentials... in an objective manner.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again, it seems a subjective measurement, and this is from someone who is buying Essentials as well... but as an alternative to 4e classic not as supplements.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5353965, member: 48965"] You mean things like the math behind monsters, skill DC's, etc.? Let me just state this sounds totally subjective... instead of you looking at the actual changes that have been implemented and judging them objectively... you've set up a PiTA test that only you know and decide the criteria of. It's sorta like me saying that casters overshadowing melee fighters in 3.5 wasn't a problem... because it didn't cause problems for me... when there very much is objective evidence to support that after a certain level the options spellcasters have is much greater than non-spellcasters. And yet changes to major, overarching systems... such as skill challenges and DC's have been implemented... Same could be said for feats, class abilities... even classes themselves in 3.5. How does the Ranger class being changed affect anyone except a player who is currently playing a Ranger? Sort of like the new magic item rules? Some would say the same thing about the change from 3.0 to 3.5... I don't know if I would necessarily agree with this, it all depends on what changes you are talking about. Changing skill DC"s wasn't an addition, changes to the magic items rules wasn't an addition... unless in the same way having a 3.0 and 3.5 Ranger was an addition. This logic, IMO, is so flawed I don't know where to begin. I mean it can be applied to any change from 3.0 to 3.5 as easily as you have applied it to 4e. Honestly I think it boils down to the fact that you like 4e better and thus subjectively you find it easier to dismiss the changes as insignificant, whereas with 3.0 and 3.5 it is the opposite. I'd love for you to compare what you feel are the major changes between 3.0 and 3.5 vs. 4e classic and 4e essentials... in an objective manner. Again, it seems a subjective measurement, and this is from someone who is buying Essentials as well... but as an alternative to 4e classic not as supplements. [/QUOTE]
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