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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8233455" data-attributes="member: 6802951">5e, they don't. A Paladin can swear their oath to their ruler, or their ancesters, or the souls of their fallen brethen. No worship or god required.Warlocks aren't anything like clerics thematically. Warlock's power can be a one-off gift, or stealing or reward for a service rendered. No worship or even future serving the patron is required.AFAIK originally celtic law- and lore-keepers - The original druids (as opposed to the D&amp;D druids also inspired by the same people.) Where writing isn't as widespread, those who can use it were often ascribed mystical powers, and chants and songs are a common way to retain information.Also picked up some baggage from the &quot;travelling minstrel/troubadour&quot; archetype of ye olde fantasie medievale periodde.The thing to remember is that bards don't actually need to play an instrument to use their abilities, and that any thing from the bells in the abhorsen novels, to aboriginal bullroarers, to military signal whistles can count as as a musical instrument.I mean a sorceror can be as simple as &quot;wizard who keeps their spells in their mind, not a book&quot;. A Divine Soul can be a classic &quot;white mage&quot; without needing to follow a got or other power. I find it hard to actually nail down the thematics of a sorceror enough to find something to dislike.No, but since you have reasons to not like things that we don't know about, it may be easier to start from what is allowed. You have a lot of opinions about classes that are outside of the actual rules for them, so easier to work from the things that you are OK with since that is a smaller group.Edit: Steeldragons explained much better about Bards while I was writing my post. Use theirs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8233455, member: 6802951"] 5e, they don't. A Paladin can swear their oath to their ruler, or their ancesters, or the souls of their fallen brethen. No worship or god required. Warlocks aren't anything like clerics thematically. Warlock's power can be a one-off gift, or stealing or reward for a service rendered. No worship or even future serving the patron is required. AFAIK originally celtic law- and lore-keepers - The original druids (as opposed to the D&D druids also inspired by the same people.) Where writing isn't as widespread, those who can use it were often ascribed mystical powers, and chants and songs are a common way to retain information. Also picked up some baggage from the "travelling minstrel/troubadour" archetype of ye olde fantasie medievale periodde. The thing to remember is that bards don't actually need to play an instrument to use their abilities, and that any thing from the bells in the abhorsen novels, to aboriginal bullroarers, to military signal whistles can count as as a musical instrument. I mean a sorceror can be as simple as "wizard who keeps their spells in their mind, not a book". A Divine Soul can be a classic "white mage" without needing to follow a got or other power. I find it hard to actually nail down the thematics of a sorceror enough to find something to dislike. No, but since you have reasons to not like things that we don't know about, it may be easier to start from what is allowed. You have a lot of opinions about classes that are outside of the actual rules for them, so easier to work from the things that you are OK with since that is a smaller group. Edit: Steeldragons explained much better about Bards while I was writing my post. Use theirs. [/QUOTE]

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