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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6198809" data-attributes="member: 2525">It's not a red herring.  Prestige classes in 3e were a form of sub-class, and we're talking about how to place sub-classes in 5e, and reactions from the same exact population (D&D players).  They were frequently cross-placed in books during 3e, so you'd find an arcane magic class sometimes in a divine book, a rogue class in a fighter book, etc.., and nobody complained.  Now while there is a difference between a supplement and a core book, the difference is only a matter of quantity of people exposed to the book in this instance.  When you get zero people complaining, it follows that being in the Core book doesn't drastically increase the complaints.  If you disagree, you're going to have to make an argument that's more well-supported than "it's not applicable, and is a red herring".  At least try and explain why you think those things, in reply to what I said?I have not seen the designers claim there will be exceptions, just that it will be rarely used and can be combined.  What are you referring to?You're doing this thing where you simply declare something to be true, without offering anything to back it up.  I explained why the space saving and organization are helpful, with detailed examples.  Your reply amounts to "nuh uh".  Come on...if you have a reply, make it.  Don't just repeat "no" to me without anything more.  If I write: "Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock" instead of "Mage", I've used more space to say the same thing.  That's proof of saving space using shorthand.  You simply saying "no it's not" isn't a response.  Anyone can see I saved characters there.  As for alphabetical being easier, why? If I know I want to look up an arcane class, wouldn't it be better if all the arcane classes are grouped together? Why would having Bard next to Barbarian instead of next to Thief make more sense to you?I didn't make any problem, because there is no problem.  WOTC is currently using that tag, but maybe they will change it.  Regardless, YOU knew what I meant in this context, so cut the crap as you know the only point was to communicate to you.Stop insulting people.When I tell you I have encountered this repeatedly myself, and you tell me there is no evidence whatsoever, you're calling me a liar.  You're saying my experiences are not evidence of anything at all.  You're saying essentially that eyewitness testimony is not evidence.  You understand the word bogus means fake, right? That that is, in fake, calling me a liar?  You're saying my experiences are fake.  That's saying liar.  How else am I to interpret that. You claim in your experience it hasn't happened, but then you make it clear you're not reserving your statement to just your experiences, you're saying there is no evidence AT ALL, ANYWHERE, that it's happened.  How else would anyone take that?Nobody is shouting, and nobody is having a fit.  We did have two other people tell you they thought it would be helpful.  You just ignored their comments as well.  I am the only one willing to engage you further on this topic.  Oh, and "your anecdotes do not ring true" is yet another time you're calling me a liar, this time directly.What are you referring to?</blockquote>

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