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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8054144" data-attributes="member: 7019027"><p>Okay, first, we're going to need some way to agree on "power" because I feel that your definition of power is not necessarily expected damage. </p><p></p><p>Every spell level has their "wow, so amazing!" Spells, even in the warlock's spell list. </p><p></p><p>1st: hex, hellish rebuke, charm person.</p><p>2nd: invisibility, misty step, mirror image</p><p>3rd: counterspell, dispel magic, fly, hypnotic pattern</p><p>4th: banishment, dimension door</p><p>5th: hold monster</p><p></p><p>Now, going from 3rd to 4th level would basically be going from the 4 mentioned from being your greatest spells to banishment and dimension door being the best spells. Now, banishment is good because it can basically end certain creatures instantly in a fight. Most fey immediately go back to the feywilds, most elementals return to their elemental chaos, Gith return to the astral plane, fiends return to the lower planes, celestials return to the upper planes, anything in-between goes to a demi-plane to be separated for the fight. But if they aren't fiend, celestial, or certain legendary monsters, there charisma is probably not great anyways. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But it's not okay just to look at the spell list of all warlocks, since warlocks actually get subclass spells and invocations. </p><p></p><p>Going from 3rd to 4th level spells goes blink->greater invisibility, fireball->wall of fire, hypnotic pattern->evard's black tentacles. These are all pretty big step-ups. </p><p></p><p>When warlocks get 4th-level spells, they also get access to compulsion, confusion, and polymorph. Polymorph, especially, is an incredibly strong spell compared to all 3rd-level spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8054144, member: 7019027"] Okay, first, we're going to need some way to agree on "power" because I feel that your definition of power is not necessarily expected damage. Every spell level has their "wow, so amazing!" Spells, even in the warlock's spell list. 1st: hex, hellish rebuke, charm person. 2nd: invisibility, misty step, mirror image 3rd: counterspell, dispel magic, fly, hypnotic pattern 4th: banishment, dimension door 5th: hold monster Now, going from 3rd to 4th level would basically be going from the 4 mentioned from being your greatest spells to banishment and dimension door being the best spells. Now, banishment is good because it can basically end certain creatures instantly in a fight. Most fey immediately go back to the feywilds, most elementals return to their elemental chaos, Gith return to the astral plane, fiends return to the lower planes, celestials return to the upper planes, anything in-between goes to a demi-plane to be separated for the fight. But if they aren't fiend, celestial, or certain legendary monsters, there charisma is probably not great anyways. But it's not okay just to look at the spell list of all warlocks, since warlocks actually get subclass spells and invocations. Going from 3rd to 4th level spells goes blink->greater invisibility, fireball->wall of fire, hypnotic pattern->evard's black tentacles. These are all pretty big step-ups. When warlocks get 4th-level spells, they also get access to compulsion, confusion, and polymorph. Polymorph, especially, is an incredibly strong spell compared to all 3rd-level spells. [/QUOTE]
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