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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8055144" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Your argument here doesn't ring true for me. And one specific example comes to mind. The Divine Soul Sorcerer. A lot of people claim that the Divine Soul sorcerer proves sorcerers are perfectly fine as designed, but if you look over the claims people make, and compare it to the actual abilities they mention, it becomes glaringly obvious that the Divine Soul sorcerer is fine.... because of the abilities that make it a cleric. And I think in that situation, if you make the claim "The sorcerer doesn't suck because you can build a sorcerer who plays like a cleric" you have a serious problem with the class. (I acknowledge the Shadow Sorcerer is pretty good too, but this is an example)Additionally, I sometimes think about how many different builds you can make with a class. You can make quite a lot of different fighters, you can make a ton of different styles of wizard, but when you get to a class like the sorcerer it boils down to single combos, like Twin+Polymorph. And while that combo is often incredibly powerful, if your entire class is build around doing 1 of four hyper specific combos... again, I think we have a problem.</blockquote>