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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8056994" data-attributes="member: 18">Quite right. Due to 5E's SA "flanking" rule (i.e. enemy of the target w/in 5ft), it's actually quite difficult not to get a Sneak Attack unless something wacky is going on. You don't need Advantage, it's just nice-to-have.No, you're flat-out wrong here.Go read the PDK subclass. I'm guessing you haven't looked at it for a long time. It's not sacrificing in-combat ability for out-of-combat stuff. I'll list all the out-of-combat benefits for the PDK:1) Persuasion skill2) Expertise in the Persuasion skillThat's it.Expertise in one skill. You literally cannot reasonably suggest players are at fault here. All the other abilities the PDK has are in-combat, and they're all pretty much complete rubbish, which is why it is so rarely used.Compare this to a Samurai, they get:1) Skill from a small list (including Persuasion) or any language.2) WIS bonus to PersuasionSo very similar benefits. Except Samurai is awesome in combat. It's actually arguably one of the best Fighter subclasses. I'm guessing you don't actually think having a 1-3 point edge in Persuasion checks (which is what a PDK has on a Samurai, likely) is worth going from awesome subclass combat abilities to dire subclass combat abilities?The problem is not players here, and it is outright wrong to suggest it is. PDK is a trash subclass. With Feats, you're also wrong, because the social interaction ones are all terrible deals - the offer very little for the very significant cost of an entire Feat. That's the real problem here. The strong social-pillar abilities are simply not available to certain classes, or have an extremely high cost.This is not a solvable problem, note, this is too baked-in to 5E. You'd need another edition, and designers who ensured every class had real options in all three pillars, which was clearly not even attempted in 5E.</blockquote>

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