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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8058242" data-attributes="member: 7019027"><p>I wasn't going to address every point you made for the sake of brevity so I chose the ones I thought were the most important.</p><p></p><p>To address your other points briefly: Yes, being least popular doesn't mean it's unpopular. Those have two separate meanings. The reason it's brought up is because the arguments usually starts with how people hate this, that, or another while that's not what the polls gave. It wasn't an unpopularity poll, it was a popularity poll. It's the difference with movies being on the bottom of my "favorite movies to-watch list" and movies being in my "least favorite movies to watch" list.</p><p></p><p>Isolating it to players that have all options available still runs into the issue that the most favorite options are the free ones. The free ones are iconic and familiar and most players who bought the other options also played with the free ones beforehand.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Both of our metaphors fall flat in this instance anyways. It's not like an election where there's only 2 options and it's not like a basketball pick where everyone has to even participate. The dragon knight isn't being voted into office against a Champion, they can coexist together. At the same time, the PDK isn't <em>required</em> to be put in, along with the other fighter subclasses. No party even requires a fighter in the first place.</p><p></p><p>But let's take it as it is. The percentage of those who played a fighter that chose a Purple Dragon Knight. This could mean that a wide range of players tried it once and never again (Bad experiences, uninteresting, etc.) Or it could mean that only a few players tried it and many of them continuously play them (fun for those who tried). </p><p></p><p>Let me be clear, I never played PDK at all. I've seen the features and they don't seem weak, they just seem like something I'm not interested in as a fighter. Whether the subclass is good or not in play isn't something I can opine, but I can say that just because something was on the bottom of the "most played fighter" class doesn't make it bad. </p><p></p><p>That same survey puts fighters more than double the popularity of a Druid and wizards are middle of the pack. That doesn't necessarily make wizards a mediocre class or druids a bad class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8058242, member: 7019027"] I wasn't going to address every point you made for the sake of brevity so I chose the ones I thought were the most important. To address your other points briefly: Yes, being least popular doesn't mean it's unpopular. Those have two separate meanings. The reason it's brought up is because the arguments usually starts with how people hate this, that, or another while that's not what the polls gave. It wasn't an unpopularity poll, it was a popularity poll. It's the difference with movies being on the bottom of my "favorite movies to-watch list" and movies being in my "least favorite movies to watch" list. Isolating it to players that have all options available still runs into the issue that the most favorite options are the free ones. The free ones are iconic and familiar and most players who bought the other options also played with the free ones beforehand. Both of our metaphors fall flat in this instance anyways. It's not like an election where there's only 2 options and it's not like a basketball pick where everyone has to even participate. The dragon knight isn't being voted into office against a Champion, they can coexist together. At the same time, the PDK isn't [I]required[/I] to be put in, along with the other fighter subclasses. No party even requires a fighter in the first place. But let's take it as it is. The percentage of those who played a fighter that chose a Purple Dragon Knight. This could mean that a wide range of players tried it once and never again (Bad experiences, uninteresting, etc.) Or it could mean that only a few players tried it and many of them continuously play them (fun for those who tried). Let me be clear, I never played PDK at all. I've seen the features and they don't seem weak, they just seem like something I'm not interested in as a fighter. Whether the subclass is good or not in play isn't something I can opine, but I can say that just because something was on the bottom of the "most played fighter" class doesn't make it bad. That same survey puts fighters more than double the popularity of a Druid and wizards are middle of the pack. That doesn't necessarily make wizards a mediocre class or druids a bad class. [/QUOTE]
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