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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8059081" data-attributes="member: 7015698"><p>First of all, I still don't get why D&D even balance things like this, why one must suck at Fighting to be useful when there's no Fighting. Even if you think it's an important balancing tool, I think the Fighter's Fighteriness is over valued compared to its lack of Social graces (same with the Barbarian, but at least one of its subclass has rituals that could technically be useful). </p><p></p><p>The Paladin you mention? Yeah his social utility spells compete with Smites... but that competition only lasts until the next long rest. If you're spending multiple days in the city and don't expect to get into any fights, then you're not penalized for spending spell slots on social tricks until a surprise fight breaks out... but that aspect to me is a lot more balanced than what the Fighter gets.</p><p></p><p>Fighters don't get that opportunity, they're locked in. Which is why the Battlemaster Maneuver that give skill bonus are actually a good thing.</p><p></p><p>And the PDK doesn't actually have 'social aspects'. It gets ONE skill proficiency with a bonus that will probably just compensate for having subpar Charisma (you don't need Charisma for anything else as a PDK, so why should you waste points on it?). Something the Samurai also gets while still being solid in battle. The Battlemaster ALSO gets a non-damage based ability at level 7, it's not particularly rare or exceptional.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8059081, member: 7015698"] First of all, I still don't get why D&D even balance things like this, why one must suck at Fighting to be useful when there's no Fighting. Even if you think it's an important balancing tool, I think the Fighter's Fighteriness is over valued compared to its lack of Social graces (same with the Barbarian, but at least one of its subclass has rituals that could technically be useful). The Paladin you mention? Yeah his social utility spells compete with Smites... but that competition only lasts until the next long rest. If you're spending multiple days in the city and don't expect to get into any fights, then you're not penalized for spending spell slots on social tricks until a surprise fight breaks out... but that aspect to me is a lot more balanced than what the Fighter gets. Fighters don't get that opportunity, they're locked in. Which is why the Battlemaster Maneuver that give skill bonus are actually a good thing. And the PDK doesn't actually have 'social aspects'. It gets ONE skill proficiency with a bonus that will probably just compensate for having subpar Charisma (you don't need Charisma for anything else as a PDK, so why should you waste points on it?). Something the Samurai also gets while still being solid in battle. The Battlemaster ALSO gets a non-damage based ability at level 7, it's not particularly rare or exceptional. [/QUOTE]
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