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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 8060684" data-attributes="member: 6750235"><p>The spirit of the class is warlord in 5e fighter mechanics. I don't think that will ever measure up to people's expectations of a warlord.</p><p></p><p>The mechanical reason is for royal envoy. Rallying cry and inspiring surge are decent enough but not a significant draw. Bulwark isn't worth it, but by that time the expertise has become significant.</p><p></p><p>If I want to make a fighter with some social impact, the extra proficiency and free expertise is a clear step up. I go half-elf or human for more skills and prodigy to complement it. Usually DEX based too.</p><p></p><p>The buttons approach isn't there but there is definitely a social encounter build. The other non-combat features are generally behind but elegant courtier is close, which gets back to my main point -- fighters get non-combat abilities in the subclasses. The class bonus ASI'S can also be used for non-combat and the PC can still be good at combat.</p><p></p><p>What tends to happen is I give up some CON.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 8060684, member: 6750235"] The spirit of the class is warlord in 5e fighter mechanics. I don't think that will ever measure up to people's expectations of a warlord. The mechanical reason is for royal envoy. Rallying cry and inspiring surge are decent enough but not a significant draw. Bulwark isn't worth it, but by that time the expertise has become significant. If I want to make a fighter with some social impact, the extra proficiency and free expertise is a clear step up. I go half-elf or human for more skills and prodigy to complement it. Usually DEX based too. The buttons approach isn't there but there is definitely a social encounter build. The other non-combat features are generally behind but elegant courtier is close, which gets back to my main point -- fighters get non-combat abilities in the subclasses. The class bonus ASI'S can also be used for non-combat and the PC can still be good at combat. What tends to happen is I give up some CON. [/QUOTE]
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