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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8060800" data-attributes="member: 7015698"><p>It's more situation than it appears at first. If you need the heal from Second Wind but your allies are relatively fresh, then your heal is wasted, inversely if you're feeling fresh and your allies (with low HP) are in trouble, you might end up wasting your Second Wind to heal them and find yourself out of it later on. It also scales poorly, as level HP becomes less and less of a chunk of healing as you level up. It also does not work on unconscious allies because they can't see or hear you.</p><p></p><p>I know, you'll say it's the trade off of using the ability that you need to be tactical about it and all that... but that's your ONLY level 3 ability, and its rider to something you already have! And you'll never have more use of it because you only have 1 Second Wind.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those two abilities are pretty good yeah. Inspiring Surge does conflict with a ton of decent reactions that someone might prefer to use, and as you say, it depends on who gets to use it (A Rogue would actually like it, provided they're in a position to get Sneak Attack). But Inspiring Surge letting you pick a second target takes the place of a proper level 18 ability. You get no capstone for your class and you still only have a limited number of Action Surge from your base class. So you're basically down on ressources and have no passive abilities like a Champion does to compensate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bulwark is actually terrible because of all the condition you have to meet. First of all, its needlessly limited to only Mental saves while Indomitable works on all saves, then you need to fail that save, your allies need to be in range of the same effect and ALSO fail that save, and then they have to take the second roll.</p><p></p><p>If you compare that to a Paladin's Aura it's pretty lame. Especially at level 15. </p><p></p><p>If all of the PDK's combat ability were paired with a minor non-combat buff, then I'd be more forgiving. The trade off would be obvious. Here... not so much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8060800, member: 7015698"] It's more situation than it appears at first. If you need the heal from Second Wind but your allies are relatively fresh, then your heal is wasted, inversely if you're feeling fresh and your allies (with low HP) are in trouble, you might end up wasting your Second Wind to heal them and find yourself out of it later on. It also scales poorly, as level HP becomes less and less of a chunk of healing as you level up. It also does not work on unconscious allies because they can't see or hear you. I know, you'll say it's the trade off of using the ability that you need to be tactical about it and all that... but that's your ONLY level 3 ability, and its rider to something you already have! And you'll never have more use of it because you only have 1 Second Wind. Those two abilities are pretty good yeah. Inspiring Surge does conflict with a ton of decent reactions that someone might prefer to use, and as you say, it depends on who gets to use it (A Rogue would actually like it, provided they're in a position to get Sneak Attack). But Inspiring Surge letting you pick a second target takes the place of a proper level 18 ability. You get no capstone for your class and you still only have a limited number of Action Surge from your base class. So you're basically down on ressources and have no passive abilities like a Champion does to compensate. Bulwark is actually terrible because of all the condition you have to meet. First of all, its needlessly limited to only Mental saves while Indomitable works on all saves, then you need to fail that save, your allies need to be in range of the same effect and ALSO fail that save, and then they have to take the second roll. If you compare that to a Paladin's Aura it's pretty lame. Especially at level 15. If all of the PDK's combat ability were paired with a minor non-combat buff, then I'd be more forgiving. The trade off would be obvious. Here... not so much. [/QUOTE]
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