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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8061168" data-attributes="member: 7015698"><p>So your big level 3 class feature, the one that welcomes you into your archetype is... just a mild situational boost to something you already do that you're not supposed to use specifically for what it says it does?! </p><p></p><p>It should also be noted that this means that, at level 3, you're essentially only a Purple Dragon Knight for ONE bonus action per shot rest. The rest of the time, you might as well have not taken that extra level of Fighter. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I think, more than the combat effectiveness, the fact that your subclass has no impact on 99.9% of your actions is the biggest offender for me. If I choose a subclass it's to play that subclass! </p><p></p><p>That's why I advocate for the Purple Dragon to get their bonus skill at level 3, so you at least get SOMETHING you can use more often. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Life Cleric has their Channel Divinity that recharges on a short rest and heals five times their cleric level. They can also distribute these points however they want to as many allies as they want... It is a standard action, but you're probably not expected to use it in battle until it's an emergency. It's also limited to people who are below half their max HP. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DM fiat is difficult to account for when comparing classes between one another, it's a variable that we should eliminate as much as possible... DM Fiat is also unreliable. A feature can be AMAZING with the right DM and then be practically useless with the wrong one, so when we discuss if a class is bad or good, we can't rely on 'Well if your DM is nice it'll be useful'. We should assume the DM is gonna be bad and mean and then compare classes in that optic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8061168, member: 7015698"] So your big level 3 class feature, the one that welcomes you into your archetype is... just a mild situational boost to something you already do that you're not supposed to use specifically for what it says it does?! It should also be noted that this means that, at level 3, you're essentially only a Purple Dragon Knight for ONE bonus action per shot rest. The rest of the time, you might as well have not taken that extra level of Fighter. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I think, more than the combat effectiveness, the fact that your subclass has no impact on 99.9% of your actions is the biggest offender for me. If I choose a subclass it's to play that subclass! That's why I advocate for the Purple Dragon to get their bonus skill at level 3, so you at least get SOMETHING you can use more often. The Life Cleric has their Channel Divinity that recharges on a short rest and heals five times their cleric level. They can also distribute these points however they want to as many allies as they want... It is a standard action, but you're probably not expected to use it in battle until it's an emergency. It's also limited to people who are below half their max HP. DM fiat is difficult to account for when comparing classes between one another, it's a variable that we should eliminate as much as possible... DM Fiat is also unreliable. A feature can be AMAZING with the right DM and then be practically useless with the wrong one, so when we discuss if a class is bad or good, we can't rely on 'Well if your DM is nice it'll be useful'. We should assume the DM is gonna be bad and mean and then compare classes in that optic. [/QUOTE]
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