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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6562233" data-attributes="member: 67338">I'm not sure, over the years I've been pitched the concept more then once though. I'm not even sure if I would want to play it, but over the years no less then 5 players (3 are still in my group today) wanted such a thing. It came up most recently in my 1st 5e campaign.&nbsp; The player made what he thought would be a non combat rouge and found his combat potential was pretty high.The way it's been said to me is &quot;I want to hide in a fight, and NOT feel like I'm cheating the other players. If I do it with a 3d6+1d4+3 attack sitting in my wheel well, then I am cheating them, and they are right to yell, just group with the fighter and stab the thing.&quot;I would imagine 4e &quot;skill powers&quot; and/or 3.5 &quot;skill tricks&quot; would play a big part of it. A grifter who one or two regulare punches will take out, but with quick fingers and a quick wit can outsmart most social encounters...imagine a version of the rogue who had something like charm, and suggestion, and a quick theft power, a disguse self power, and you can get each of them instead of a d of sneak attack...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6562233, member: 67338"] I'm not sure, over the years I've been pitched the concept more then once though. I'm not even sure if I would want to play it, but over the years no less then 5 players (3 are still in my group today) wanted such a thing. It came up most recently in my 1st 5e campaign. The player made what he thought would be a non combat rouge and found his combat potential was pretty high. The way it's been said to me is "I want to hide in a fight, and NOT feel like I'm cheating the other players. If I do it with a 3d6+1d4+3 attack sitting in my wheel well, then I am cheating them, and they are right to yell, just group with the fighter and stab the thing." I would imagine 4e "skill powers" and/or 3.5 "skill tricks" would play a big part of it. A grifter who one or two regulare punches will take out, but with quick fingers and a quick wit can outsmart most social encounters... imagine a version of the rogue who had something like charm, and suggestion, and a quick theft power, a disguse self power, and you can get each of them instead of a d of sneak attack... [/QUOTE]

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