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<blockquote data-quote="bogmad" data-source="post: 6562267" data-attributes="member: 6695559">The thing is, even if psionics are simply an alternate magic system, the way 5e is designed right now each alt magic system is separated into different classes. The Druid and Cleric, and some 1/2 casters may share a casting method, but no class so far has access to more than one magic system outside DM tinkering/houseruling.&nbsp; And the only way alternate spell lists are differentiated outside of classes so far are by adding one or two extra domain or patron spells.&nbsp; So it seems to me that if you have an archetype that 1.) needs a whole reworking of the spell mechanic and 2.) also a spell list that requires limiting spells from a current class list as well as adding extras, then the best way to do that is by creating a new class for that archetype.&nbsp; I'm with you regarding EK, and weapon/armor/skill proficiencies though.&nbsp; For psionics I'd say you create one full caster type class, and any psionic warriors or whatever would certainly be restricted to subclasses.&nbsp; That seems to fit with the 5e design framework best of all if you're making an official class for release and not adding it as &quot;something you can build yourself with guidelines from the DMG&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bogmad, post: 6562267, member: 6695559"] The thing is, even if psionics are simply an alternate magic system, the way 5e is designed right now each alt magic system is separated into different classes. The Druid and Cleric, and some 1/2 casters may share a casting method, but no class so far has access to more than one magic system outside DM tinkering/houseruling. And the only way alternate spell lists are differentiated outside of classes so far are by adding one or two extra domain or patron spells. So it seems to me that if you have an archetype that 1.) needs a whole reworking of the spell mechanic and 2.) [I]also[/I] a spell list that requires limiting spells from a current class list as well as adding extras, then the best way to do that is by creating a new class for that archetype. I'm with you regarding EK, and weapon/armor/skill proficiencies though. For psionics I'd say you create one full caster type class, and any psionic warriors or whatever would certainly be restricted to subclasses. That seems to fit with the 5e design framework best of all if you're making an official class for release and not adding it as "something you can build yourself with guidelines from the DMG". [/QUOTE]

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