Cleric converting metamagic

[Ovinomancer]

I probably just missed this, but here goes:

What happens when a cleric converts a spell that has metamagic applied?

3.5 please.

 

[mikebr99]

<snip>... nevermind


Mike

 

[Silverglass]

If you are talking about applying metamagic to a spell converted spontaneously to a Cure Spell then the rule is:

"Spontaneous Casting and Metamagic Feats: A cleric spontaneously casting a cure or inflict spell can cast a metamagic version of it instead. Extra time is also required in this case. Casting a 1-action metamagic spell spontaneously is a full-round action, and a spell with a longer casting time takes an extra full-round action to cast."

So you could spontaneously cast a Maximised Cure Light Wounds using a 4th level slot

If you have a Metamagic spell prepared and want to convert it to a Cure spell then its not explicitly laid out.

The rules on conversion state "The cleric can “lose” any prepared spell that is not a domain spell in order to cast any cure spell of the same spell level or lower (a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its name). " and metamagic spells state "In all ways, a metamagic spell operates at its original spell level, even though it is prepared and cast as a higher-level spell".

As it is prepared as a higher level spell and converison is "any prepared spell" I would rule that you convert to the Cure spell of the level of the spell slot you are converting. e.g. an Extended Bulls Strength occupies a 3rd level slot and converts to a Cure Serious Wounds.

However I cannot find an explicit ruling on this.

 

[CRGreathouse]

As it is prepared as a higher level spell and converison is "any prepared spell" I would rule that you convert to the Cure spell of the level of the spell slot you are converting. e.g. an Extended Bulls Strength occupies a 3rd level slot and converts to a Cure Serious Wounds.

While I would rule as Silverglass has, I think that the rules as written don't actually work that way -- I think an Extended bull's strength would only convert to cure moderate wounds since metamagic doesn't generally change the actual level of the spell. Obviously, bull's strength Heightened to 3rd level would convert to cure serious wounds.

 

[Shallown]

I would Allow the Metamagicked spell to be converted atthe same slot as it is perpared in so an Extended bullstrength is prepared as a 3rd level spell even if it is only 2nd level for other purposes. If a cleric had prayed for a bull strength in his 3rd level slot (say he needed a lot of them) even unheightened would be treated as a 3rd level spell to me. I don't see much means of abusing the converting cures ability and it is a welcome ability no reason to nerf it.

And as a side note (house rule) I allow cures to convert all the way to 9th. So a cleric can convert a 9th level spell to a 9d8+20 (20 being max) to cure someone. Even at that rate Heal is a better spell but sometimes being able to convert that higher level spell makes all the difference when your out of heal spells and a CCW ain't gonna cut it.

later

 

[Ovinomancer]

Thanks.

The question was about converting a spell with a metamagic feat applied to a healing/inflict spell.

To muddy the question: if you rule that you can only convert the spell to a healing spell of the base level (without metamagic), does the metamagic still apply? Example: if I have a maximized searing light (6th) and convert it to a healing spell at the level of searing light (3rd) does the maximized stick around?
Also: since converting a spell falls under spontaneous casting (I think), can you add a metamagic feat as a sorcerer? It would take longer (2 full turns?) and, I assume, you would need to convert a higher slot to a lower level spell to allow for the metamagic level increase.


Thanks

 

[CRGreathouse]

You can certainly use metamagic when casting spontaneous cures.

Casting a searing light as cure moderate wounds is a standard action. Casting it as a Silent cire light wounds is a full round action.