D&D 5E (2024) Heightein Spell and Innate Sorcery are Insane!

First, to clarify-- heighten spell applies disadvantage to ONE saving throw, even if multiple entities are making saves. So it decidedly increases the success-likelihood of a Counterspell, but only marginally increases the overall success of a well-used Fear, Hypnotic Pattern, or multi-target Hold Person (admittedly, if you were to use heighten spell on such a multi-target spell, you would give disadvantage to the target you most want to fail the save).
In the 2024 version of D&D, Heightened Spell metamagic for Sorcerers has been significantly improved. It now costs 2 Sorcery Points (down from 3) and grants a target disadvantage on all saving throws against the spell, not just the first. This change makes Heightened Spell a more potent and versatile option for controlling the battlefield and ensuring spell effects land.

Telekinesis, Fear, Sleep, Hold Monster, etc. Its disadvantage for all saving throws.

Also, The Heightein Spell synergies to other metamagic like Careful Spell.
Cast Fireball | Hipnotic Pattern | Fear and still friendly for your party for multi target spells.
 
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In the 2024 version of D&D, Heightened Spell metamagic for Sorcerers has been significantly improved. It now costs 2 Sorcery Points (down from 3) and grants a target disadvantage on all saving throws against the spell, not just the first.
I see where we are talking at cross purposes. The text reads:
"Heighten Spell
Cost: 2 Sorcery Points
When you cast a spell that forces a creature to make a saving throw, you can spend 2 Sorcery Points to give one target of the spell Disadvantage on saves against the spell."

I was focusing on the "a target" part, you were focused on the lack of "its first" before saving throw (present in the 2014 version). Reassessing, it looks like these are orthogonal points, so I don't see them directly conflicting.

Regarding the point about subsequent saves, well, it's certainly not wrong. It is an increase in the power. I'm uncertain on whether I think it is significant. This is kind of like the initial assessments of Elven Accuracy when it came out -- one needs to take into account the marginality of the increase. The spell ability in question has to be already powerful for making it more likely to land/stick a significant tactical boon, yet at the same time it means the normal affect/chance is the high baseline against which we are comparing. We're also comparing to the 2014 version of the ability, which already boosted the first-round save of the effect. The new version of the ability only increases the likelihood of the second and subsequent rounds being effective. The marginal utility of second-round shutdown (contingent on the first) isn't as quantifiable as the DPR calculations for EA, but they are at least straightforward and incremental (the class ability doesn't allow one to do something wholly new), so it is going to come down to a 'how much is enough to be significant?' question.
This change makes Heightened Spell a more potent and versatile option for controlling the battlefield and ensuring spell effects land.
It's more potent, by virtue of being a bit cheaper and having subsequent-round saves more likely to fail, but I'm nor sure I see the more versatile aspect. Are there spells, builds, or strategies that the ability would not have applied to before that it qualifies for now?
Telekinesis, Fear, Sleep, Hold Monster, etc. Its disadvantage for all saving throws.
Fear, to my previous point, only for one creature. Sleep now has a save at all, so that is definitely a new option. Counterspell, as you mentioned before, is a new option. That's one of the larger changes to how the spell might get used (although with the countered spell no longer being expended and general changes to monster spellcasting, the total utility of Counterspell becomes a massive debate in and of itself).
Also, The Heightein Spell synergies to other metamagic like Careful Spell.
Cast Fireball | Hipnotic Pattern | Fear and still friendly for your party for multi target spells.
Yes, at levels 7+, while using your innate sorcery, and spending sorcery points to match, you can have one of the targets of a multi-target spell make (all of) their saves for the spell at disadvantage. This again is a very real boost and I do not want to dismiss it. It is, however, again a very marginal increase with significant limitations. These do not negate that it is a boost. I am simply not convinced that it is a groundbreaking or watershed change, such that I would agree with statements like "most powerful today."

The sorcerer is a good class, and a fun one. It saw some enhancement with the 2024 update. I still think Fighters and Monks saw more enhancement with the update, and I hesitate to call out any class as most powerful (even just amongst the full casters, I think if flip-flops based on to what level a group typically plays).
 
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Far from being a theory, I tested this in practice and it is stronger than it seems, this was just one of the cases.
But there are several other examples.
Heightein Telekinesis can restrain a Boss and pull them into your melee party. Heightein Hold Monster | Psychic Lance | Suggestion | Sleep | Banishment can nullify a powerful enemy. Careful + Heightein Fear / Hiptonic Pattern can literally change the game completely. Of course I am only mentioning one metamagic. 2 SP is not expensive. Remember that sorcerers can convert slots into SP and still recover SP in short rest and can still have items like Bloodwell Vial to help even more to regain SP
Which is great if you don't have too many battles in a day.

Sorcerer's are best against a few powerful enemies. Not so good against 6 battles a day containing 5 easy enemies each.
 

Which is great if you don't have too many battles in a day.

Sorcerer's are best against a few powerful enemies. Not so good against 6 battles a day containing 5 easy enemies each.
I've been playing and just by the Heightein Spell it already makes a big difference between Sorcerer and other casters who waste many turns without taking an effective action.
For those who have played it, you don't know how powerful it is, besides what was said, a Careful Empowered Fireball from a Draconic Sorcerer and casting any spell without hitting allies and all your attacks have advantage. A very powerful spell on the sorcerer is Bigby Hand which has advantage on all attacks, increasing the chance of critical and constant damage. Another example is the Chromatic Orb which when Upcasted with Empower Spell and Innate Sorcerer can do absurd damage.

For 5 easy creatures is fireball/sorcerous burst/Chromatic Orb and adv bigby hand for easy damage.
 
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