Climatology geniuses - To arms!

Turjan said:

@Snoweel: Think of El Ninjo effects, which is more or less a disturbance of the equatorial countercurrent. These are very rapid effects, large changes in local water temperatures and, therefore, large changes in local rainfall.

Dude, I live in Sydney and work outdoors. Don't get me started on El Nino.

Actually, I think it's partly to blame for the drought 99% (no exaggeration) of Australia is currently experiencing.

Edena - thanks again for so much explanation. You've convinced me that I don't need to worry about the whys and wherefores.

I currently stick with Earth's axial tilt, but I like the idea of having real seasons at only 20 degrees north and south. Plus, the darker winters will lead to a decreased likelihood of permanent human settlements away from the equator. Which is what I want.

Thanks everyone.

Feel free to keep hypothesising the warming/cooling of Earth - I'm spinning out reading this stuff.
 

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Is there not a 'line' that separates Indonesia islands? To the north are the rain forest and wet islands and to the south the islands become dryer. It s a marked differance.
 

Hand of Evil said:
Is there not a 'line' that separates Indonesia islands? To the north are the rain forest and wet islands and to the south the islands become dryer. It s a marked differance.

Indonesia (and Malaysia) are pretty much all jungle. The climate doesn't vary. That said, there _is_ a line of sorts running through the Indonesian archipelago, but it's to do with the types of animal and plant species found on various islands. It's called Wallace's Line, after Alfred Russell Wallace, and delineates the boundary between the Oriental and Australian zoogeographical zones.

http://www.radford.edu/~swoodwar/CLASSES/GEOG235/zoogeog/walline.html
 

Ummm.... WOW!

Just skimming Edena's post makes my brain start jumping. This could be the basis of a great mega-plot or a setting's starting point.

... wow ...

John
 

Of course, ocean currents and weather patterns determined by geographical features elsewhere on the planet will still play a preponderant role in what happens to local rainfall, etc. You really do have a pretty blank slate if the only variable you're sure you're changing is the mean global temperature. Depending on ocean currents, the region could become anything from a Medditeranean climate to a temperate rainforest to a desert subject to wide seasonal temperature variation.

One thing that would be certain, however: sea levels would drop dramatically as the planet's polar caps became enormous. Glaciation might extend far beyond regions which would normally freeze in the winter, bringing Arctic and Antarctic type air masses with them. A drop as significant as you're talking about, it is entirely possible that glaciers could cross into the tropics in high-elevation areas.

While I agree that we are entering a period of climate change right now, no reputable climatologist can state at this point whether this short-term warming will be part of a longer warming trend or whether the rapid warming will precipitate another ice age. The only thing we can be sure of is that weather will become less stable and predictable therefore causing increased rates of crop failure, fluctuating water tables and other problems associated with large cities and agricultural areas having the climate change around them.

Even in the warm period that earth went through in 800-1350 or the Little Ice Age which followed, the first and last hundred years of these shifts were damaging and destabilizing in almost all areas of the world, even those which "benefited" from the longer-term climate changes.

Finally, in response to PirateCat: No. Churchill could not possibly become a major port in 50 years. Whatever the long-term effects of climate change on Arctic Canada, the loss of permafrost will cripple and destroy infrastructure in the region which is incredibly costly even as it stands. Furthermore, the Churchill Polar Bears are amongst the most endangered because of the thinness of the winter ice. With the town's tourism industry ravaged by their extinction, combined with the destabilization of the permafrost on which the rail line and major buildings are built, the short term future of Churchill is oblivion (except for the Spaceport part of course). You will note that the government of Nunavut is the most pro-Kyoto of all provincial/territorial governments in Canada for precisely these reasons. (And yes, I know Churchill is in Manitoba 2 degrees south of Nunavut).
 

this thread is excessively cool. My previous underwater adventure ideas all came from the recent Legend of Zelda and Soul Reaver.

can someone explain the ferns on anartica thing more slowly?
The poster said that:
1. anartica was in the same place
2. ferns grew there (so it was warm)
some thing about island moving north after it sank (which is cool)
So does that mean that there was warm on the poles at some point?

I think I've decided Queen Ran's underwater base moves with the current (she's a bit evil squid its an SL thing). Maybe all the underwater places do.... allowing warfare, underwater druids acting to move a city closer or further away and lots of astrologers and aqualogers (yes I just made that up) trying to figure out what positions will be most likely to produce attacks.

Underwater constilations anyone?
 

There was a time when all of Earth's continents were sitting together in a single great continent, according to some scientists.

(remember that this is a theory, and not necessarily my view.)

According to these scientists, the continents basically covered most of one of Earth's hemispheres.
That is, they covered either the Eastern or the Western Hemispheres. The other hemisphere, and all of both polar regions, was covered by one great ocean.
The great ocean, apparently the forerunner of today's Pacific, was a much warmer ocean than any ocean of today's world, and warm currents moved unobstructed to the poles, keeping them free of ice.
Without cold air from the poles to cool the Earth, the planet enjoyed a much warmer climate than today's, and the supercontinent was quite the steamy place.

What we call Antarctica today occupied the southernmost part of this supercontinent, and even then it was close to the pole, being in latitude of today's Sub-Antarctic.
Warm winds from the ocean constantly flowed across this landmass, keeping it warm even after the sun set for the last time below the Antarctic Circle.
During the long dark of winter, occasional cold snaps, with freezes, would still occur. They always ended as warm air pushed back in from the warm ocean.
Subtropical vegetation, such as ferns, were found throughout the continent, and when the sun set for the winter these plants went dormant, and were not subject to damage from the freezes.

After the supercontinent broke up, Antarctica drifted over the pole.
In itself, this fact would not have caused Antarctica to freeze up, for there was too much warm ocean water.
However, Antarctica, in occupying the polar region, cut off the flow of warm water to that area - the area where Earth loses the most heat, the area where the loss of the warmth from the water would make the greatest difference.
Thus, Antarctica grew cold because the ocean could not convey warmth to the pole. As Antarctica grew cold, it chilled the water around it, which made the continent turn colder.
Eventually, the glaciers crept down from the mountains and started to form an icecap. The icecap produced it's own climate, making Antarctica even colder and further cooling the surrounding oceans, further chilling the yet unfrozen parts of the continent, allowing the Icecap to advance.
The water temperature at the bottom of the ocean fell from 70 degrees Fahrenheit to below freezing as cold water around Antarctica sank to the bottom, and all the water around Antarctica for some distance out became deathly cold - cutting Antarctica off from any heat the seas might have transferred to it, isolating and protecting it's cold environment.
Cold currents from the now glacial continent flowed northward, chilling the subtropical and tropical oceans, creating a feedback mechanism that cooled the entire planet.
This feedback ultimately caused the Arctic to cool, and eventually freeze. Of course, the freeze-up of the Arctic cooled the whole planet even further.

If you believe the scientists, we live in the second coldest epoch the Earth has ever been through (although, it must be noted we are in an Interglacial, a very brief spike of warmth amidst the endless cold.)
The coldest epoch in Earth's history allegedly took place 700 million years ago, and was known as Snowball Earth. The entire planet froze over several times. Each freeze lasted 10 million years. Each freeze was followed by a thaw and warm up which sent the Earth into it's hottest known periods, but these hothouse-Earth epochs lasted only a few thousand years. The planetary temperature fluctuated from an average of I believe somewhere around minus 50 Fahrenheit to somewhere between 100 and 120 Fahrenheit.
 
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