Cloak of Mage Armor

[Folly]

Why? Because you are giving the Armor a lot of abilities that the Bracers of Armor do not have and increasing the price DRAMATICALLY WITHOUT PURPOSE!!

How many Classes are actually hindered by Arcane Failure in Light Armor? How many of those can simply Cast Mage Armor?

You are taking overpriced option after overpriced option and putting them all together to make a horribly useless item that no Character in their right mind would ever want and then using it in a comparison!!

A Pearl of Power 1 has a price of 1000 Gold Pieces and it can give that Wizard an extra Mage Armor a day or a lot of other options. Putting the price of Bracers of Armor +4 at 1000 Gold Pieces to simulate the cutting away of the options for a more consistent Bonus makes sense!! Doubling the price can be done as well but that sucks with this comparison and is not necessary.

For a comparison the twilight and ghost touch are the necessary enchantments to simulate having +5 AC from normal armor. This is a legitimate comparison. The pearl of power is a valid option, but does have its own draw backs. Those being that it is now a buff rather than an item. This means that the effect is vulnerable to dispelling effects.

The pearl option is great for a wizard, but only a wizard. Since sorcerers cannot use pearls, and monks do not have spell casting. A magic item's cost shouldn't be reduced because it doesn't make sense in one case.

 

[Christian]

Magic items are priced based on the characters who will find them most useful, not those that will find them least useful. Otherwise, scrolls (for example) would be very, very cheap.

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Hrm, a cloak that casts Mage Armor a few times a day might make everyone happy.

Brad

 

[VanRichten]

Gabriel Z based on your interpretation of the rules I could very well make a glove with the effect of True Strike on it as a use activated item that gives me a +20 to any attack.

I think you are interpreting the rule based on the letter of the law vs the intent of what it is stating.

 

[Slaved]

For a comparison the twilight and ghost touch are the necessary enchantments to simulate having +5 AC from normal armor. This is a legitimate comparison. The pearl of power is a valid option, but does have its own draw backs. Those being that it is now a buff rather than an item. This means that the effect is vulnerable to dispelling effects.

The pearl option is great for a wizard, but only a wizard. Since sorcerers cannot use pearls, and monks do not have spell casting. A magic item's cost shouldn't be reduced because it doesn't make sense in one case.

The Enhancements you list are overpriced for their function and give a lot of extra abilities that the Bracers of Armor do not have!!! That makes the comparison illegitamate.

Add on that no Character in their right mind should make that item further exasperates the problem!!!

Wizards and Sorcerers both have Mage Armor as a Spell that they can Cast which is automatically better than the Bracers of Armor.

The Monk is an exception because they are weak in the Armor Class department without something like Mage Armor but a friendly party member could put it on them!

The Pearl of Power is a good comparison because it actually simulates the effect and it does so much much much much much much much better than the Armor you proposed!!

 

[Slaved]

Magic items are priced based on the characters who will find them most useful, not those that will find them least useful. Otherwise, scrolls (for example) would be very, very cheap.

Which Class would find it most useful and how much should it cost for them in your opinion?

 

[jaelis]

Why? Because you are giving the Armor a lot of abilities that the Bracers of Armor do not have and increasing the price DRAMATICALLY WITHOUT PURPOSE!!

(a) the bracers in fact do have those abilities and (b) they do serve a purpose. If it occurs that you don't care about those abilities, then just get a chain shirt, and your problem is solved. The only reason to have this discussion is if those abilities matter; they should therefore be included.

What is the basic issue here? If you really think mage armor is a better solution than bracers of armor, just use mage armor.

 

[Slaved]

a) They can be used by Incorporeal Creatures and move through objects with them? Where do the Bracers say that??

b) They serve the purpose of obscuficating the issue at hand!!

The Bracers of Armor with my modification still cost much more than normal Armor so the extra Opportunity Cost is there they just are not so overpriced that a Character has to seriously hinder their other options to get them!

16000 Gold Pieces for Bracers of Armor +4 is ridiculous!!! :\

 

[Folly]

Which Class would find it most useful and how much should it cost for them in your opinion?

Monks, they do not have the option of normal armors, and cannot cast the spell, and I see the listed price for Bracers of Armor being the appropriate cost for an armor bonus, since it mirrors how other non-caster classes get additional armor bonus from magic items.

Arcane casters have the option of using some of their spell power to get armor. This makes it an aspect of the class.

The magic item creation equations are only a guideline. Since by the equations an item that gives True Strike unlimited times per day for unlimited duration and an activation action of a free action would only cost 8000.

 

[Slaved]

Monks are HEAVILY Multiple Attribute Dependent. Would my proposed change make Monks too powerful?