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<blockquote data-quote="The Great Sun Jester" data-source="post: 1005024" data-attributes="member: 13022"><p>Sigh. At least I thought we could all consider the arguement a draw and leave it at that. Ah well, people can go on about the massive damage rule, or the innumerable other caveats and fixes proposed in the D20 Cthulhu rulebook, in an attempt to make the rules for a high fantasy game, one which is frankly closer, in terms of rules and ethos to wargaming than to roleplaying, appropriate to one of sophisticated, psychological, realistic horror, but they're nonetheless just that: fixes. The addition of more and more exceptions to the already exception-based, loophole-ridden D20 rules system is not something to be applauded, rather the quantity and obtrusiveness of the modifications necessary to make this botch-job of a conversion only further demonstrate the system's limitations.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, however efficient these fixes, I consider them intrusive and unrealistic, other people may disagree, they nonetheless do not produce any kind of positive arguement for using D20 over BRP. Indeed, the only arguement produced thus far has been the vague notion that there exists some nebulous group of players who have been desparate to play Call of Cthulhu for twenty years, but somehow unable to comprehend, or bother to learn, Chaosium's BRP rules system, who can now at last play the game, thanks to the all-encompasing Open Gaming License and D20. Perhaps I overstate my case there, indeed I certainly do, but it remains that I find the suggestion that gamers cannot, or should not, learn to use more than one system to play different games, fatuous. BRP is hardly complex, is it? Furthermore, the failure, inherent in the ethos behind D20, to grasp that different styles of game benefit from different systems flies in the face of more than a decade's worth of well-established thought within the games industry. In any case, who are they, these players who can't cope with more than one system? They may well be out there, but I know a lot of roleplayers, and I don't even know one. To my mind, presuming that these people exist, and are not merely a fiction created by Wizards' marketing department, then if they lack the imagination or intellectual energy to comprehend the utility of using a different system for a different game, then they can stick to playing Dungeons and Dragons until they acquire them.</p><p></p><p>It should be pretty clear from the above that I don't like D20, but I have had little cause to take issue with it until it began to impinge upon games I do like. Playing D20 Cthulhu, to my mind, is very likely to put potential players off, or to give them only a partial, or a very inaccurate, appreciation of Lovecraft's world. Further, I suspect that, should D20 Cthulhu become popular, it will lead to a significant dumbing-down of Call of Cthulhu releases to make them more appealing to D20's predominantly early-to-mid-teens audience. Having finished ranting, my point stands: I have yet to be presented with any good positive reccomendations to using D20 to play Call of Cthulhu with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Great Sun Jester, post: 1005024, member: 13022"] Sigh. At least I thought we could all consider the arguement a draw and leave it at that. Ah well, people can go on about the massive damage rule, or the innumerable other caveats and fixes proposed in the D20 Cthulhu rulebook, in an attempt to make the rules for a high fantasy game, one which is frankly closer, in terms of rules and ethos to wargaming than to roleplaying, appropriate to one of sophisticated, psychological, realistic horror, but they're nonetheless just that: fixes. The addition of more and more exceptions to the already exception-based, loophole-ridden D20 rules system is not something to be applauded, rather the quantity and obtrusiveness of the modifications necessary to make this botch-job of a conversion only further demonstrate the system's limitations. Moreover, however efficient these fixes, I consider them intrusive and unrealistic, other people may disagree, they nonetheless do not produce any kind of positive arguement for using D20 over BRP. Indeed, the only arguement produced thus far has been the vague notion that there exists some nebulous group of players who have been desparate to play Call of Cthulhu for twenty years, but somehow unable to comprehend, or bother to learn, Chaosium's BRP rules system, who can now at last play the game, thanks to the all-encompasing Open Gaming License and D20. Perhaps I overstate my case there, indeed I certainly do, but it remains that I find the suggestion that gamers cannot, or should not, learn to use more than one system to play different games, fatuous. BRP is hardly complex, is it? Furthermore, the failure, inherent in the ethos behind D20, to grasp that different styles of game benefit from different systems flies in the face of more than a decade's worth of well-established thought within the games industry. In any case, who are they, these players who can't cope with more than one system? They may well be out there, but I know a lot of roleplayers, and I don't even know one. To my mind, presuming that these people exist, and are not merely a fiction created by Wizards' marketing department, then if they lack the imagination or intellectual energy to comprehend the utility of using a different system for a different game, then they can stick to playing Dungeons and Dragons until they acquire them. It should be pretty clear from the above that I don't like D20, but I have had little cause to take issue with it until it began to impinge upon games I do like. Playing D20 Cthulhu, to my mind, is very likely to put potential players off, or to give them only a partial, or a very inaccurate, appreciation of Lovecraft's world. Further, I suspect that, should D20 Cthulhu become popular, it will lead to a significant dumbing-down of Call of Cthulhu releases to make them more appealing to D20's predominantly early-to-mid-teens audience. Having finished ranting, my point stands: I have yet to be presented with any good positive reccomendations to using D20 to play Call of Cthulhu with. [/QUOTE]
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