College Football

[Dimwhit]

Actually, you need to route for OSU. That way the controversy stays and perhaps with all these problems revealed we might actually get a good system.

Actually, that's a good point. Of course, an Oklahoma/OSU title game would hold no interest in me whatsoever, whereas I would enjoy seeing USC in there (or LSU for that matter).

And since my rooting for a team will most assuredly help them win, I'll have to ponder this some more...

 

[johnsemlak]

There is no 'good' system for college football. There's no way to keep the bowls and go to a straightforword NFL type playoff system (not without making bowls worthless or making the whole system even more complex). And the bowl games are simply to much of a college footaball tradition to do away with.

 

[fett527]

what makes you say this?

definetely not strength of schedule.

definetely not choosing the team with the nearly unstoppable defense.

definetely not depth, we do well with back-up players in major roles.

definetely not special teams, we have won 3 games this year without an offensive touchdown.

what makes you think usc is the better team?

GO CLAY! You tell 'em!

It feels just like last year (OK except for that pesky loss). People always in their minds rank teams that rack up big point totals as the best teams. People wouldn't be shouting so loud against OSU if their offense was more prolific and they were blowing teams out instead of winning by a field goal. It's all good though, Tressel has everything right where he wants it. GO BUCKS!!

 

[Dimwhit]

There is no 'good' system for college football. There's no way to keep the bowls and go to a straightforword NFL type playoff system (not without making bowls worthless or making the whole system even more complex). And the bowl games are simply to much of a college footaball tradition to do away with.

I would argue that tradition is already on its way out in college football. The BCS system has already ruined the 4 major bowls. The Rose Bowl, for exampls, used to be the Pac10 vs Big 10 (I think that's it). Now that isn't the case. Classic bowl rivalries are starting to be a thing of the past, or will be soon, especially if the BCS system gets renewed in a couple years.

originally posted by alsih2o
what makes you say this?

definetely not strength of schedule.

definetely not choosing the team with the nearly unstoppable defense.

definetely not depth, we do well with back-up players in major roles.

definetely not special teams, we have won 3 games this year without an offensive touchdown.

what makes you think usc is the better team?

Well, I don't put that much stock in strength of schedule. Besides, only two of the ranked teams OSU beat is still ranked (Iowa and Purdue). Michigan will be the third, if they win. Plus, and I realize people will disagree, I think the Pac 10 is a tougher conference this year than the Big 10. They don't have as many ranked teams, but I think overall it's a tougher league.

I also think OSU was lucky many times and barely squeaked out wins against far lesser teams (San Diego State and Penn State to name a couple).

Anyway, just my opinion, but I think USC is a stronger team that would have a much better chance against Oklahoma. OSU has a good defense, but if their offense put up more than 6 or 7 points against the Oklahoma defense, I'd be surprised.

Of course, wouldn't it be funny if Oklahoma lost to Texas Tech this weekend and USC played OSU in the title game? Might as well move the title game to the Rose Bowl in that case. It would be a perfect fit.

 

[fett527]

I also think OSU was lucky many times and barely squeaked out wins against far lesser teams (San Diego State and Penn State to name a couple).

I have to voice my frustation over the OSU win at Happy Valley. Penn State put everything they had into that game, it's at home against the defending champs and they were trying to prevent JoPa from getting his record making 5th straight loss. They were playing for big time pride and anyone who expected Penn State to not play a close game is not paying close enough attention. It's obvious they put every ounce of energy into that game when they went and lost to Northwestern the next week. OSU ought to get bonus points for surviving that one not get talked down because of it.

On that note...there is no excuse for not destroying San Diego State.

 

[johnsemlak]

I would argue that tradition is already on its way out in college football. The BCS system has already ruined the 4 major bowls. The Rose Bowl, for exampls, used to be the Pac10 vs Big 10 (I think that's it). Now that isn't the case. Classic bowl rivalries are starting to be a thing of the past, or will be soon, especially if the BCS system gets renewed in a couple years.

To some extent I agree tradition is loosing out, but I wouldn't overrate the significance of ending the Big10/Pac10 matchup in the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl has not always done so, if fact. Previously it was an open invitational game (Alabama won it four times). The previous set up was established in the forties I believe.

Plus, and I realize people will disagree, I think the Pac 10 is a tougher conference this year than the Big 10. They don't have as many ranked teams, but I think overall it's a tougher league.

Disagree yes . What can you base that on? The BCS computers say OSU has a tougher strengh of schedule. The Big 10 has more ranked teams (any way you rank 'em). I don't know how else to compare them. If it was still the 80's I would agree with you hands down, but times have changed and the Pac10 doesn't seem to be what it was.

OSU has a good defense, but if their offense put up more than 6 or 7 points against the Oklahoma defense, I'd be surprised.

I think a lot of people said the same last year when it was OSU-Miami. Good defense can win a football game, period. A defence that keeps the score under 10 points never gets as much credit as an offence that scores 40+, though I would argue that the former is more valuable. I wouldn't put my money on OSU against Oklahoma, but if OSU makes the championship I'd at least say they deserve that.

All this hinges on OSU beating Michagan and preserving their position. If they don't, Southern Cal will (if they win out) deservedly move back to second. But if OSU wins, I think they will have gotten the same record on a much tougher schedule. And don't underestimate the value of having to eek out close games. Those kind of games can really mold a team.

 

[Krieg]

How quickly it's forgotten that Ohio State didn't have a chance against Miami last year either. That the Fiesta bowl was going to be a 35 point blowout.

Cooperation but this is by no means any form of Big Ten membership. The CIC overlaps with the Big Ten but is not the same thing. I would not call The University of Chicago a "nominal member" of the Big Ten but a full member of the CIC.

Thank you for putting succintly what I failed to convey.

It seems that Notre Dame is opening talks with both the ACC and Big Ten for full conference membership. Thier BCS contract is up in 2005 and they viewing joining a conference for football as an option.

I just don't see the ACC possibility happening. ND would have absolutely nothing to gain from that scenario. If (and it is still a big IF at this point) ND does join a conference in all-sports I believe the only real possibilities are the Big 10 or Big East.

Besides, only two of the ranked teams OSU beat is still ranked (Iowa and Purdue). Michigan will be the third, if they win.

Which is two more than USC has beaten.

Plus, and I realize people will disagree, I think the Pac 10 is a tougher conference this year than the Big 10. They don't have as many ranked teams, but I think overall it's a tougher league.

I've watched almost as many Pac-10 as Big-10 games over the past 15-20 years. Not only do I disagree, but I find the suggestion unfathomable. Quite frankly the Pac-10 is down this year and they aren't playing very good football right now across the board.

I also think OSU was lucky many times and barely squeaked out wins against far lesser teams (San Diego State and Penn State to name a couple).

When does it stop being luck? Tressell won 4 national titles at Youngstown State the exact same way. They're close because he wants them to be close.

I have to voice my frustation over the OSU win at Happy Valley. Penn State put everything they had into that game, it's at home against the defending champs and they were trying to prevent JoPa from getting his record making 5th straight loss. They were playing for big time pride and anyone who expected Penn State to not play a close game is not paying close enough attention. It's obvious they put every ounce of energy into that game when they went and lost to Northwestern the next week. OSU ought to get bonus points for surviving that one not get talked down because of it.

Florida State squeeks by NC State in overtime & it's a "great win". Ohio State does the same & it's "luck".

FWIW Penn State has played Ohio State tough in Happy Valley since they joined the Big 10. It's quickly turned into one of those "the record doesn't matter" rivalries. Unfortunately that point is often lost on those not close to the game.

On that note...there is no excuse for not destroying San Diego State.

Sure there is. Keeping everything vanilla against the tomato cans means that other teams don't have much film of your offensive schemes. There's a reason that we're seeing more balls thrown to the TE & FB now, down the Big10 stretch, when it matters.

 

[Datt]

Ah yes. It is getting close to the end of November and college football is really heating up.

Oh and dimwit, no it would not be funny if OU lost. They need to destroy Tech at home, just to makes Texas look that much more pathetic for barely beating them. Then again a 65-13 loss already makes Texas look pathetic.

OU will win in Lubbock and then go up to Mo and beat KSU for the Big 12 Championship. Back to Back Big 12 Champions for the first time since Nebraska, (I think the Big 12 was around when Nebraska won back to back national titles.)

I am also interested to see if Jason White comes back for a sixth year or not. Personally I think it is time for him to move on, but with being hurt the last 2 years I can see why he might want to stay and get a little more experience under his belt. But if they let him wait until after the National Champship to decide I can see him leaving if they win and staying if they either lose/or don't make it. Of course either way I think our O is going to be pretty good next year. Paul Thompson has looked pretty good they times he has played this year. With Jones, and Hickson coming back our running game looks good. Hopefully Clayton will come back for his Senior year also. So next year looks to be just as good as this year does for OU. Can't wait.

BOOMER SOONER!!

 

[alsih2o]

I think a lot of people said the same last year when it was OSU-Miami. Good defense can win a football game, period. A defence that keeps the score under 10 points never gets as much credit as an offence that scores 40+, though I would argue that the former is more valuable. I wouldn't put my money on OSU against Oklahoma, but if OSU makes the championship I'd at least say they deserve that.

totally agree.

 

[fett527]

totally agree.

I didn't want to put anything out about the championship game last year since OSU isn't there yet and the team from the state up North is a BIG roadblock, but my favorite quote about Miami v OSU was a Miami player stated they wouldn't hesitate to run up the score.

He-he. Run up the score.