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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5114854" data-attributes="member: 2011">My opinion is that Come and Get It is wonky to begin with.The very fact that a martial power can pull foes in from 15 feet away with the foes having no say in it and no save is wonky.It's the equivalent of Martial Domination with no save.Exactly why would Orcus want to walk the 10 feet, just to get smacked by a sword??? But a 7th level Fighter can move Orcus 10 feet without any sort of roll (not that this is necessarily a good idea).What about foes that do not understand the fighter's language? Are they taunted so that they cannot resist? As you state, how about unconcious foes? How about Grabbed foes? Monster: &quot;You know, I can't seem to physically break out of this Grab.&quot;PC: &quot;Come and Get It&quot;Monster: &quot;Hey, thanks for pulling me out of that Grab.&quot;Magical Compulsion to pull someone? Fine (with a save).Magical Telekinesis to pull someone? Fine (even potentially without a save)Unresistable Martial Taunt? WT? It breaks verisimilitude for me and I think that forced movement without a dice roll is unbalanced as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5114854, member: 2011"] My opinion is that Come and Get It is wonky to begin with. The very fact that a martial power can pull foes in from 15 feet away with the foes having no say in it and no save is wonky. It's the equivalent of Martial Domination with no save. Exactly why would Orcus want to walk the 10 feet, just to get smacked by a sword??? But a 7th level Fighter can move Orcus 10 feet without any sort of roll (not that this is necessarily a good idea). What about foes that do not understand the fighter's language? Are they taunted so that they cannot resist? As you state, how about unconcious foes? How about Grabbed foes? Monster: "You know, I can't seem to physically break out of this Grab." PC: "Come and Get It" Monster: "Hey, thanks for pulling me out of that Grab." Magical Compulsion to pull someone? Fine (with a save). Magical Telekinesis to pull someone? Fine (even potentially without a save) Unresistable Martial Taunt? WT? It breaks verisimilitude for me and I think that forced movement without a dice roll is unbalanced as well. [/QUOTE]

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