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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 5121039" data-attributes="member: 82504">I think there is a mistake assuming the martial power source is entirely based on muscle and discipline. For one thing I let fighter powers&nbsp; bleed in to luck, trickery and manipulating or seeing through the fog of war (specialties of other Martial types). Insult (or similar social manipulation) and faking vulnerability are probably the primary elements of this power .... so what happens... when you dont have those to rely on?.. dash in heroic luck which may result in wierdnesses like you smelling like something which tasted real good to the giant slug...&nbsp; just noticed the salt in your sweat or something. (The character doesnt even really know why)When the power is applied against a relatively normal enemy it might be a verbal goading if its against a primordial super genius something more extreme may have happened at this point in the game I think extreme luck is par for the course you will need it against Orcus which is why I went with reincarnate of former foe... but... Powerhouse evil I normally envision as very driven by ego no matter how brilliant so I am not so certain the Fighter couldnt say to Orcus why worry about him he is no consequence in comparison to your might. I on the other hand am going to hand you your family jewels while little girls laugh at you... and get orcus to frothe or fall over laughing himself and land much closer to the fighter ;-)Most forced movement of the unconscious -&nbsp; not dead is going to be other pcs... heroics lurching towards consciousness when inspired&nbsp; tofall back moments later because it wasnt enough .. picture them mumble crawl drop.&quot;I am stuck visualizing this power only one way&quot; is indeed a reasonable problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 5121039, member: 82504"] I think there is a mistake assuming the martial power source is entirely based on muscle and discipline. For one thing I let fighter powers bleed in to luck, trickery and manipulating or seeing through the fog of war (specialties of other Martial types). Insult (or similar social manipulation) and faking vulnerability are probably the primary elements of this power .... so what happens... when you dont have those to rely on?.. dash in heroic luck which may result in wierdnesses like you smelling like something which tasted real good to the giant slug... just noticed the salt in your sweat or something. (The character doesnt even really know why) When the power is applied against a relatively normal enemy it might be a verbal goading if its against a primordial super genius something more extreme may have happened at this point in the game I think extreme luck is par for the course you will need it against Orcus which is why I went with reincarnate of former foe... but... Powerhouse evil I normally envision as very driven by ego no matter how brilliant so I am not so certain the Fighter couldnt say to Orcus why worry about him he is no consequence in comparison to your might. I on the other hand am going to hand you your family jewels while little girls laugh at you... and get orcus to frothe or fall over laughing himself and land much closer to the fighter ;-) Most forced movement of the unconscious - not dead is going to be other pcs... heroics lurching towards consciousness when inspired to fall back moments later because it wasnt enough .. picture them mumble crawl drop. "I am stuck visualizing this power only one way" is indeed a reasonable problem. [/QUOTE]

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