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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5122000" data-attributes="member: 43019">Yeah, lots of dailies include forced movement without needing to hit. Also I think something like the following on a wizard is fine:Forceful HandEncounterMinorRanged 10Target: One creatureEffect: The target slides 1 square.Or the existing Seeker ability to push all enemies in a close burst 1 as an effect. Or Repulsion armor which works without attacking an enemy. Many encounter powers do have an effect on creatures even if the attack is missed - frex, No Respite pushes targets before making an attack, Winter's Wrath deals automatic damage, Strike of Judgment makes a creature's next attack heal an enemy, etc.Also many encounter powers have an effect on a target -other- than the enemy without an attack roll, whether that's damage (Fiery Bolt, Cleave) or forced movement (Blood Spray Bile) or proning (Tremor).And that was just from me looking at the first page of level 7 encounter powers <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 5122000, member: 43019"] Yeah, lots of dailies include forced movement without needing to hit. Also I think something like the following on a wizard is fine: Forceful Hand Encounter Minor Ranged 10 Target: One creature Effect: The target slides 1 square. Or the existing Seeker ability to push all enemies in a close burst 1 as an effect. Or Repulsion armor which works without attacking an enemy. Many encounter powers do have an effect on creatures even if the attack is missed - frex, No Respite pushes targets before making an attack, Winter's Wrath deals automatic damage, Strike of Judgment makes a creature's next attack heal an enemy, etc. Also many encounter powers have an effect on a target -other- than the enemy without an attack roll, whether that's damage (Fiery Bolt, Cleave) or forced movement (Blood Spray Bile) or proning (Tremor). And that was just from me looking at the first page of level 7 encounter powers :) [/QUOTE]

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