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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3506568" data-attributes="member: 35788"><p>Wow. If these excerpts are anything like the actual book ... make this 2 complete books in a row I've not picked up. I had hoped Complete Psi wasn't an omen. Except for CM (and I still don't allow the reserve feats) I've been disappointed since CPsi.</p><p></p><p>The one thng I see this book having against it is if there is a quote in the front like there was in CM. Something to the effect that in order to use this book one must have the PHB and a copy of CArc wouldn't hurt. If this one suggests owning CD, I know several games that may not allow this book either. CD is the most likely of the orignal "four" Complete books to be disallowed on a power argument. If this one is seen as building on CD, it may have that strike against it.</p><p></p><p>But in another direction ... my spider sense is tingling and I'm annoyed by it because I hate 4e discussion. So, I'll at least SBLOCK it so people who hate 4e discussions as much as I do don't have to read it.</p><p></p><p>[Sblock=4e Omen]</p><p>I think this likely may be an omen that 4e is coming sooner than later - and it pains me to say it. This is only a hunch, and I fully confess this is pure heresy and speculation.</p><p></p><p>#1 - With characters growing more and more powerful, soon there won't be much they can't do. When the characters cant do anything else it's time to unleahs a new edition, right? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>#2 - The hints of the preview material seem to be indicating even more that gaming thought is streaming to per encounter resources rather than per day resources. In order for that to become standardized, however, they'll need a new edition so that they can alter the fundamentals of magic the way that it should be altered to do it justice.</p><p></p><p>#3 - The prerequisite standards are lowering. I don't claim to be an expert, but this is the first glaring example that I've seen with a prerequiste into a PrC class with a note of <em>"Special: Any one of the following: base attack bonus +5, able to cast 3rd-level spells, sneak attack +2d6, or ability to grant allies a bonus on attack rolls, saves, or checks as an extraordinary ability."</em> So, you only need to meet 1 of 6 possibilities (rolls, saves, or checks count as seperate ones because of the 'or'). Plus, this PrC seems to be geared for a possible 5th level entry given the need for 7 skill points in a skill. {6 if you allow skill points to be taken in order to meet a PrC prerequisite}. My point in all of this is that when the standards get lowered, they can only go so low. Then they'll need a new edition to start over on.</p><p></p><p>Okay, that's enough doom and gloom. Anyone desiring to comment on this, I'll ask (and have no way of enforcing!) that you please put your response in SBLOCKS to keep from hijacking the thread completely - or better yet, quote me and start a new thread! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>[/Sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3506568, member: 35788"] Wow. If these excerpts are anything like the actual book ... make this 2 complete books in a row I've not picked up. I had hoped Complete Psi wasn't an omen. Except for CM (and I still don't allow the reserve feats) I've been disappointed since CPsi. The one thng I see this book having against it is if there is a quote in the front like there was in CM. Something to the effect that in order to use this book one must have the PHB and a copy of CArc wouldn't hurt. If this one suggests owning CD, I know several games that may not allow this book either. CD is the most likely of the orignal "four" Complete books to be disallowed on a power argument. If this one is seen as building on CD, it may have that strike against it. But in another direction ... my spider sense is tingling and I'm annoyed by it because I hate 4e discussion. So, I'll at least SBLOCK it so people who hate 4e discussions as much as I do don't have to read it. [Sblock=4e Omen] I think this likely may be an omen that 4e is coming sooner than later - and it pains me to say it. This is only a hunch, and I fully confess this is pure heresy and speculation. #1 - With characters growing more and more powerful, soon there won't be much they can't do. When the characters cant do anything else it's time to unleahs a new edition, right? ;) #2 - The hints of the preview material seem to be indicating even more that gaming thought is streaming to per encounter resources rather than per day resources. In order for that to become standardized, however, they'll need a new edition so that they can alter the fundamentals of magic the way that it should be altered to do it justice. #3 - The prerequisite standards are lowering. I don't claim to be an expert, but this is the first glaring example that I've seen with a prerequiste into a PrC class with a note of [I]"Special: Any one of the following: base attack bonus +5, able to cast 3rd-level spells, sneak attack +2d6, or ability to grant allies a bonus on attack rolls, saves, or checks as an extraordinary ability."[/I] So, you only need to meet 1 of 6 possibilities (rolls, saves, or checks count as seperate ones because of the 'or'). Plus, this PrC seems to be geared for a possible 5th level entry given the need for 7 skill points in a skill. {6 if you allow skill points to be taken in order to meet a PrC prerequisite}. My point in all of this is that when the standards get lowered, they can only go so low. Then they'll need a new edition to start over on. Okay, that's enough doom and gloom. Anyone desiring to comment on this, I'll ask (and have no way of enforcing!) that you please put your response in SBLOCKS to keep from hijacking the thread completely - or better yet, quote me and start a new thread! :) [/Sblock] [/QUOTE]
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