Concealment?

[N0Man]

Page 10 of the Adventure booklet says, "To target a creature, it must be within a power's range and not entirely behind a solid barrier." So, total cover again means you cannot attack the target.

No it doesn't, it says that you cannot target the creature, not that you cannot attack it.

My interpretation of total cover is that it is exactly literal, that you don't have line of sight or the target is behind a solid barrier.

I think that what you are forgetting are area of effect spells. An enemy can have total cover from you, but still be within an area of effect spell area. I think that is the situation where you would use the superior cover penalty of -5.

 

[MindWanderer]

Also:

1) Remember that cover and concealment are entirely differen things.
2) "Total Cover" was a term that was altered, being confusing. Now there's "cover" and "superior cover" (superior was formerly total), and there may also be "total cover" (meaning there's no LOE at all).

 

[thewok]

No it doesn't, it says that you cannot target the creature, not that you cannot attack it.

My interpretation of total concealment is that it is exactly literal, that you don't have line of sight or the target is behind a solid barrier.

I think that what you are forgetting are area of effect spells. An enemy can have total concealment from you, but still be within an area of effect spell area. I think that is the situation where you would use the total concealment penalty of -5.

That does make sense. I tend to tie "target" and "attack" together, as in a bow shot. The AE explanation does make sense. Thanks for that.

 

[N0Man]

Actually going back and looking at the books, the difference between concealment and cover really aren't defined really.

The only mention of "concealment" I can find is on page 17, "They provide concealment and possible cover for creatures moving behind them".

I know the D&D Experience Warlock also had an ability that granted Concealment as well, but I never saw anything to describe it other than the -2 modifier.

Mechanically, they don't seem any different. Cover is -2, and Concealment is -2. There is Superior Cover, but no mention of additional levels of Concealment.

Am I missing something here? Maybe they are intentionally minimizing a difference between the 2 to avoid redundant mechanics?

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

Mechanically, they don't seem any different. Cover is -2, and Concealment is -2. There is Superior Cover, but no mention of additional levels of Concealment.

Am I missing something here? Maybe they are intentionally minimizing a difference between the 2 to avoid redundant mechanics?

They are the same, but they represent two different things. Cover stops line of sight and line of effect. Concealment stops light of sight but not line of effect. You can still shoot a eldritch blast at someone who has total concealment(by being invisible, say), but you can't fire one at someone with total cover(like being on the other side of a wall that completely covers them).

 

[N0Man]

They are the same, but they represent two different things. Cover stops line of sight and line of effect. Concealment stops light of sight but not line of effect. You can still shoot a eldritch blast at someone who has total concealment(by being invisible, say), but you can't fire one at someone with total cover(like being on the other side of a wall that completely covers them).

I didn't see invisibility from anything official, but I know the Pre-Release Handbook on DnD4.com had said that with invisibility, you could not target them at range (only melee). Wouldn't that negate the Eldritch Blast example, if they are correct? I don't know what their source is though.

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

I didn't see invisibility from anything official, but I know the Pre-Release Handbook on DnD4.com had said that with invisibility, you could not target them at range (only melee). Wouldn't that negate the Eldritch Blast example, if they are correct? I don't know what their source is though.

Since I'm not aware of any official source on this...I'm going to go with the answer of "Ask me again on June 6th."