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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 858121" data-attributes="member: 114">I think your reasoning is deeply flawed, because you are relying on giving the fighter an 18 CON and the ranger a 14 Con based on point buy schemes which didn't exist then.  You are not comparing apples with apples.I stand fully by my original assertion - Rangers were hardier at 1st level (2d8 vs 1d10) and could get more CON bonuses (11x rather than 9x) BUT where down a peg or two. i.e. no longer had the complete hp dominance which they had when they were first introduced.All the rangers I knew in 1e focussed heavily on CON to maximise their bonuses, and where allowed chose that for their high score. It was a sound tactic which made the maximum advantage of their greater number of HD.Cheers</blockquote>