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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 865974" data-attributes="member: 114">Have we not heard that the virtual weapon paths start at 2nd level for the 3.5e ranger (thus avoiding the "everything at 1st level" problem) - and since TWF is certain to be available to Fighters at 1st level...If a 3.5e ranger (guess) picked up improved twf at 9th level, you can't say that is better than a fighter picking it up at 9th level since the fighter will have had an additional four combat feats even after picking up twf at 1st.Thus for someone wanting to specialist in twf, I predict that being a fighter (and adding, say, expertise & improved disarm & weapon focus & weapon specialisation to improved twf) might be more appealing than being a ranger who at that level might have twf, imptwf and no other particular combat feats  - but lots of other useful and interesting rangery things.Cheers</blockquote>