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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 866605" data-attributes="member: 177">If it didn't matter, why didn't they just have 3 melee weapons - simple, martial, and exotic, and nothing else?Plus, we aren't comparing waraxe to bastard sword.  We're comparing a bow or TWF to every other choice (sword and shield, two-handed weapon, and various more offbeat alternatives)The d8 does help ensure that, yes.  On this we agree.  I'd say the fighter would still have the edge without it, but that's a side issue.You cannot blame the designers for a part of the balance the players simply choose to ignore <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Let's put things on an even keel, and think of point-buy.  One ranger, one fighter, same number of points.If the fighter is willing, he can put high stats in Strength and Con, and the rest are basically gravy.  The ranger needs high Strength and Con, for the same reason the fighter does.  He also needs dex - for skills, making up for light armor, and possibly archery.  He also needs wisdom  - for spellcasting and a number of vital skills.End result, if Fighter is willing to take full advantage of his class abilities, he will be better at fighting, hands down.  The fighter can afford to have a couple of very high stats, and to heck with the rest.  The ranger cannot, unless he wants to sacrifice class abilities.In the broad sense, this still holds with a fair dice-character generation system, and players approaching character generation with effectiveness in mind.</blockquote>

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