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I hold no brief for American (or British) child-support laws, I agree it's a terrible system, but I think that's seriously off-topic.

"Because gay men never engage in predatory conduct against other gay men."

If this is in reference to prison rape, few prison rapists regard themselves as homosexual, and victims can be straight or gay. Otherwise I'm not sure what your point is.
 
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I hold no brief for American (or British) child-support laws, I agree it's a terrible system, but I think that's seriously off-topic.

"Because gay men never engage in predatory conduct against other gay men."

If this is in reference to prison rape, few prison rapists regard themselves as homosexual, and victims can be straight or gay. Otherwise I'm not sure what your point is.


No, this is gay men raping gay men like straight men rape women (and gay women rape women). This is bizarre. Are you under the assumption that such things just don't happen?
 

Yes because the trauma of having to pay child support unfairly equals the trauma of having been physically assaulted.

The pain of having your body penetrated against your will the searing agony as the tissues tear from it. The fear and shame that goes along with the crime as many people judge if you asked for it.

The fact that an act that is supposed to bring people closer together an act of love is perverted so horribly and makes it very hard to ever look at that act in the same light again.

And I am not just talking about this from a female point of view. I have spent time with sexual assault victims of both sexes. And both suffer horribly.

I can't even begin to express the outrage I feel at someone equating having to pay child support with rape.

And you know for every man who has been forced to pay child support unfairly there have been men who have run out on their responsibility to support their children.

Rape has been used as a tool of terror for centuries. It was common and accepted for men in invading armies to rape the woman of the side that was invaded.

In Bosnia rape was used against woman on the other side. In Libya it is being used today.

Yes men get raped but but to try and claim that it happens to men more often is is preposterous.

In some places it is still legal for a married man to force his wife (rape) to engage in sex. In sharia law a woman who is raped in considered at fault and is often expected to kill herself because of it. Often to punish the men of a family the elders of the village order the women raped.

So please point out where in history or today where this kind of thing happens to men on a routine basis.



I find this comment... illuminating. It completely and totally demeans everything I said... diminishes it... and acts as though the sort of injustice I described was somehow acceptable and the comparison itself was "repugnant".

Did I say "Child Support" was unfair? Nah.


But you had to fall back on that in order to diminish my argument.

I said false accusations of paternity and the subsequent government sanction of that accusation are unfair.

You then go on to graphically describe physical rape and the "plight of women world wide".

I'm not really sure why. I never said rape was "good". I never said it was anything other than terrible.

It is YOU who diminish the injustice here, it is you who sneer at the comparison and it is one rather apt.

The physical pain of rape is certainly traumatic, however I would argue and I suspect many would agree it is the EMOTIONAL damage that is what most impacts the victim.

Because you're a bigot you fail to recognize the emotional impact that such actions can have on men. You view them simply as walking wallets. You consider all the injury done to them through a lense of "finances" while completely and utterly rejecting the emotional damage the above inflicts on men.

It's because you view them through that bigots lense that you never stop to once consider the alternative. Instead you bleat the mantra of the Woman Victim Eternal to the point of arguing against a statement I never made simply so you could resume shrieking said mantra.

The degree of hatred that seeps through conversations like this, with persons who are entirely comfortable with diminishing the suffering of men, casting it offhand and aside... it's frightening to behold... and all the worse because the bigot is entirely unaware they're engaged in it.
 

No, this is gay men raping gay men like straight men rape women (and gay women rape women). This is bizarre. Are you under the assumption that such things just don't happen?

Gay men sometimes rape gay men. They sometimes rape straight men (and youths) too. OK? :erm:

Edit: Although I think lesbian rape is pretty damn uncommon.
 


You try to compare what is worse and what isn't, when there is no way to compare them. For someone being raped may be worse than being killed for someone else the opposite. Obviously it foolish to try to compare things like that.

How ofter it happens and how often the victim is part of this group or the other, or how many ppl accept rape (I haven't met someone accepting rape so far though) is irrelevant. Some societies support things like that- if we did too, would it be less or more evil?

Not that I care, but it would be sad to have this thread locked because of that.


Other than that, my PCs torture, rape and kill almost every NPC they beat so far. Even the not-so-human ones.
So yeah, I can see them getting raped too. In more ways than one. :p
 

There are far too many emotional responses in this thread. This is not the forum nor is this the right even remotely proper place for this battle of idiocy to continue. Neither of you are making any valid points to the possible application of this in a gaming sense.

Who cares if it offends you? I don't, I really don't. It said controversial topic in the warning label. It didn't say come in here and whine about this and that. If you are arguing about something not actually directly related to the game/thread/and application. Please leave and direct yourselves to the nearest website that should house your kinds of "political" discussion. Thank you and please remember to collect your maturity on the way out.

You know who you are.
 


Rape is bad, no matter who it happens too

we can all agree on that and shut up about it

that isnt meant to be mean, its meant to have the power so both of you stop arguing

the real topic here is about a poor child about to be killed because it is a bizarre half-breed dwarf/orc

honestly, what most people realize (and sadly some don't) is that it is a game, stuff happens, I can go into my collection of video games and point out every single immoral thing in them

it sucks

thats why in D&D..you play the heroes, and that means fighting against rape, molestation, genital mutilation

what would happen to the dwarf child?

the female dwarf would go into hiding due to her shame, bare the youth and raise it, eventually she would be found out, executed and the child escapes the clutches of his captors...what results next will be an epic saga where a 'creature' that has never before walked the world faces prejudice and has to deal with both his orcish blood-lust and his dwarven pride, leading him down a path with an uncertain end, the child will either fall to the evils that attempt to seduce him at every turn or rise to a level of good beyond Paladinic...he will face foes with few friends at his side, he will endure both isolation and extremes, he will survive...the question is, what will he turn into? Hero or Villain?
 

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