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<blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 5858788" data-attributes="member: 40227">I'd argue that they're already too exception-based and getting, as Shade put it earlier, &quot;overly complex for 1HD creatures.&quot;&nbsp; Semi-ethereal is odd enough as it is.&nbsp; If you both want to stick with this without tying the deflection bonus to Cha, Semi-ethereal needs to state it explicitly.&nbsp; At least a line about hama gaining a deflection bonus vs material plane attackers.&nbsp; Perhaps making it equal to 1-1/2 Cha?&nbsp; Even a ghost's deflection bonus is tied to Cha.But I'd argue that high Cha is fine for these.&nbsp; They are spirits torn from their bodies under unusual circumstances and are single-minded in their goals.&nbsp; This is very similar to most ghosts, which get +4 Cha.&nbsp; Frankly, I think these would work much better as &quot;reverse ghosts,&quot; normally manifest but able to become incorporeal.&nbsp; I also like them better as undead with turning immunity than outsiders (the spirit subtype can apply to undead).&nbsp; Like I said, though, this conversion kind of got going without me.I think I need to insist on tying the deflection bonus to Cha, like a ghost, though.&nbsp; That's the clear precedent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="freyar, post: 5858788, member: 40227"] I'd argue that they're already too exception-based and getting, as Shade put it earlier, "overly complex for 1HD creatures." Semi-ethereal is odd enough as it is. If you both want to stick with this without tying the deflection bonus to Cha, Semi-ethereal needs to state it explicitly. At least a line about hama gaining a deflection bonus vs material plane attackers. Perhaps making it equal to 1-1/2 Cha? Even a ghost's deflection bonus is tied to Cha. But I'd argue that high Cha is fine for these. They are spirits torn from their bodies under unusual circumstances and are single-minded in their goals. This is very similar to most ghosts, which get +4 Cha. Frankly, I think these would work much better as "reverse ghosts," normally manifest but able to become incorporeal. I also like them better as undead with turning immunity than outsiders (the spirit subtype can apply to undead). Like I said, though, this conversion kind of got going without me. I think I need to insist on tying the deflection bonus to Cha, like a ghost, though. That's the clear precedent. [/QUOTE]

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