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<blockquote data-quote="Echohawk" data-source="post: 6076610" data-attributes="member: 9849">Okay, I've read through The Temple of Poseidon, and now feel slightly more qualified to comment on this thread.Some thoughts:
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">It did not take the brotherhood 200 years to imprison Ythog-Nthlei. The text says: &quot;For over 200 years our brotherhood of magicians has struggled to prevent these sons of the old ones from releasing their horrible sires.&quot; To me, this implies that the brotherhood dealt with a number of sons of the old ones, and not just Ythog-Nthlei. This is supported by the text for room 20, which says &quot;...we, the remaining children of the Great Lord Ythog-Nthlei do hereby register and sanctify this, our Holy Base. From these divine depths we shall build and grow until we have enough strength to release our Father, Zoth Ommog, from his imprisonment beyond the curtain of time.&quot; I take these two bits of text together as meaning that Zoth Ommog (one of the old ones) is the father of Ythog-Nthlei, who in turn sired other creatures.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The adventure is intended for &quot;seven to ten characters of mixed class [...] with a combined total of at least 70 levels&quot;. While this implies that Ythog-Nthlei is intended to be a significant threat, I'm not sold on him/her/it being anywhere close to as powerful as a demon lord or arch-devil. I'd probably peg Ythog-Nthlei at the lower end of the epic scale. (Compare this to Gygax's recommendation for G3 of a party whose &quot;average level is 9th&quot; with &quot;8 to 10 in the party&quot;, where the most significant opponent is King Snurre, and not even a demon lord or arch-devil.)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm not seeing any justification in the adventure for making Ythog-Nthlei unimprisonable. Quite the contrary actually, since his father (Zoth Ommog) is explicitly described as being imprisoned beyond the curtain of time. If Zoth Ommog can be imprisoned, then Ythog-Nthlei certainly can be. Plus, of course, Ythog-Nthlei is, in fact, imprisoned in Room 22!</li>
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[QUOTE="Echohawk, post: 6076610, member: 9849"] Okay, I've read through [i]The Temple of Poseidon[/i], and now feel slightly more qualified to comment on this thread. Some thoughts:[list] [*]It did not take the brotherhood 200 years to imprison Ythog-Nthlei. The text says: "For over 200 years our brotherhood of magicians has struggled to prevent [b]these sons[/b] of the old ones from releasing their horrible sires." To me, this implies that the brotherhood dealt with a number of sons of the old ones, and not just Ythog-Nthlei. This is supported by the text for room 20, which says "...we, the remaining children of the Great Lord Ythog-Nthlei do hereby register and sanctify this, our Holy Base. From these divine depths we shall build and grow until we have enough strength to release our Father, Zoth Ommog, from his imprisonment beyond the curtain of time." I take these two bits of text together as meaning that Zoth Ommog (one of the old ones) is the father of Ythog-Nthlei, who in turn sired other creatures. [*]The adventure is intended for "seven to ten characters of mixed class [...] with a combined total of at least 70 levels". While this implies that Ythog-Nthlei is intended to be a significant threat, I'm not sold on him/her/it being anywhere close to as powerful as a demon lord or arch-devil. I'd probably peg Ythog-Nthlei at the lower end of the epic scale. (Compare this to Gygax's recommendation for G3 of a party whose "average level is 9th" with "8 to 10 in the party", where the most significant opponent is King Snurre, and not even a demon lord or arch-devil.) [*]I'm not seeing any justification in the adventure for making Ythog-Nthlei unimprisonable. Quite the contrary actually, since his father (Zoth Ommog) is explicitly described as being imprisoned beyond the curtain of time. If Zoth Ommog can be imprisoned, then Ythog-Nthlei certainly can be. Plus, of course, Ythog-Nthlei is, in fact, imprisoned in Room 22! [/list] [/QUOTE]

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