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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6735385" data-attributes="member: 57383">Well the original Andromidus had an AC of -2. That's near the high end of the AC range of the AD&D greater titans, who range from 2 to -3.I'd rather our conversion had an AC toward the upper ranks rather than keeping it down.Let's compare the ACs of the extant Greater Titans and see if that gets us anywhere:Atlas: 1E: –3; 3E: 44 (-4 size, +5 Dex, +33 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 39Coeus: 1E: 2; 3E: 41 (-2 size, +5 Dex, +28 natural), touch 13, flat-footed 36Crius: 1E: –3; 3E: 41 (-8 size, +6 Dex, +33 natural), touch 8, flat-footed 35Cronus/Kronus: 1E: 2; 3E: 40 (-8 size, +10 Dex, +28 natural), touch 12, flat-footed 30Epimetheus: 1E: –3; 3E: 41 (-8 size, +6 Dex, +33 natural), touch 8, flat-footed 35Oceanus: 1E: –3; 3E: 42 (-8 size, +7 Dex, +33 natural), touch 9, flat-footed 35Prometheus: 1E: –2; 3E: 55 (-8 size, +7 Dex, +32 natural, +14 insight), touch 23, flat-footed 48Generic Greater Titan: 1E: 4 to –3; 3E: 39 (-4 size, +5 Dex, +28 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 34Hmm, that's odd.All of our Titan conversions have ACs around 41-44 except for Prometheus, who has an AC eleven points higher than the next toughest (Atlas's AC 44). Despite many of those 40-odd AC Titans having slightly better ACs than Prometheus in earlier editions.Ah, I see... Prometheus has his Wisdom modifier as an insight bonus to AC. If the other Titans had insight bonuses too it would zonk their ACs up into the 50s to be at a similar level to Prometheus, although they'd still all be slightly short of his AC 55:Atlas: AC: 54 (-4 size, +5 Dex, +33 natural, +10 insight), touch 21, flat-footed 49Coeus AC: 52 (-2 size, +5 Dex, +28 natural, +11 insight), touch 24, flat-footed 47Crius: AC: 54 (-8 size, +6 Dex, +33 natural, +13 insight), touch 21, flat-footed 48Cronus/Kronus AC: 51 (-8 size, +10 Dex, +28 natural, +11 insight), touch 23, flat-footed 41Epimetheus AC: 54 (-8 size, +6 Dex, +33 natural, +13 insight), touch 21, flat-footed 48Oceanus AC: 51 (-8 size, +7 Dex, +33 natural, +9 insight), touch 18, flat-footed 44Prometheus AC: 55 (-8 size, +7 Dex, +32 natural, +14 insight), touch 23, flat-footed 48Generic Greater Titan AC: 48 (-4 size, +5 Dex, +28 natural, +9 insight), touch 20, flat-footed 43Hmm... it looks like the problem is either Prometheus's AC is way too high or the other Greater Titans ACs are way too low.If it was up to me I'd let the other Greater Titans have an insight bonus too and maybe tweak Atlas, Crius and Oceanus's NA up a few points.However that seems impractical at the moment, since the (a) the conversions were "signed off" on long ago, and (b) the Creature Catalog's down!</blockquote>

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