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<blockquote data-quote="Shade" data-source="post: 1348558" data-attributes="member: 287">Interesting...I was always under the assumption that a creature would take a -5 penalty on any secondary attacks, even if not used in the same round.&nbsp; So, are you saying that both the bite and claws would be primary attacks, since they are not used in the same round, or that you just don't like Multiattack in this instance because the attacks occur in different rounds?I could be misinterpreting this, but this text from the Monster Types and Abilities file seems to support Multiattack being needed even in this case:&quot;The primary weapon is given in the creature’s Attack entry, and the primary weapon or weapons is given first in the creature’s Full Attack entry. A creature’s primary natural weapon is its most effective natural attack, usually by virtue of the creature’s physiology, training, or innate talent with the weapon. An attack with a primary natural weapon uses the creature’s full attack bonus. Attacks with secondary natural weapons are less effective and are made with a –5 penalty on the attack roll, no matter how many there are. (Creatures with the Multiattack feat take only a –2 penalty on secondary attacks.) This penalty applies even when the creature makes a single attack with the secondary weapon as part of the attack action or as an attack of opportunity.&quot;Regardless of the outcome, it definitely needs Improved Bull Rush to get Awesome Blow.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :o"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shade, post: 1348558, member: 287"] Interesting...I was always under the assumption that a creature would take a -5 penalty on any secondary attacks, even if not used in the same round. So, are you saying that both the bite and claws would be primary attacks, since they are not used in the same round, or that you just don't like Multiattack in this instance because the attacks occur in different rounds? I could be misinterpreting this, but this text from the Monster Types and Abilities file seems to support Multiattack being needed even in this case: "The primary weapon is given in the creature’s Attack entry, and the primary weapon or weapons is given first in the creature’s Full Attack entry. A creature’s primary natural weapon is its most effective natural attack, usually by virtue of the creature’s physiology, training, or innate talent with the weapon. An attack with a primary natural weapon uses the creature’s full attack bonus. Attacks with secondary natural weapons are less effective and are made with a –5 penalty on the attack roll, no matter how many there are. (Creatures with the Multiattack feat take only a –2 penalty on secondary attacks.) [B]This penalty applies even when the creature makes a single attack with the secondary weapon as part of the attack action or as an attack of opportunity[/B]." Regardless of the outcome, it definitely needs Improved Bull Rush to get Awesome Blow. :o [/QUOTE]

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