Converting monsters from Dragon magazine

[Shade]

Is this it?

Banshee - Pathfinder_OGC

 

[Cleon]

If these are anti-banshee, I'd rather boost the HD. MM2 banshees have 26HD, but I'm willing to bet that 2e banshees had more like the 5 listed here. (As another reference, even the Paizo banshee from Pathfinder AP#17 is 14HD.)

Just off the top of my head, I think they have 7HD in AD&D.

Hold on a sec, I'll check...

1977 Monster Manual Groaning Spirit (Banshee) - 7HD.
1989 Monstrous Compendium Vol 2 Groaning Spirit (Banshee) - 7HD.

Yup, 7 Hit Dice.

I'd rather make them 5 HD, but if you're both set on something higher how about 12 HD to the Pathfinder version's 14, just to keep the "2 HD lower" relationship with the original.

 

[freyar]

Is this it?

Banshee - Pathfinder_OGC

That's it, though it's a fan conversion to the pathfinder rules. Funny, I tried looking for it on that site and didn't see it. Must have been too incorporeal. Looks about the same, though, and I'm having some cut/paste troubles from that PDF.

EDIT: I definitely want to boost to at least 12HD if not more. The regular banshee got boosted from 7HD to 26 in 3.X!

 

[Shade]

How about 13 HD? That's half the current banshee's, and close to the Pathfinder version.

 

[freyar]

I'm happy with 13HD (though more isn't bad ). I just really don't think 5HD makes sense considering the treatment the banshee has gotten (from several sources) and wanted to respond to Cleon.

 

[Shade]

I'll increase the Homebrews entry to 13 HD. Do ability scores need adjustment as well?

Homebrews: Str —, Dex 16, Con —, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 15
Pathfinder Banshee: Str —, Dex 32, Con —, Int 5, Wis 20, Cha 21
MM2 Banshee: Str —, Dex 17, Con —, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 17

 

[RavinRay]

Why does the Pathfinder banshee have a low Int? I'd think it would have the wits to use its deadly abilities to great effect, unless it's so tormented by its cursed existence that it affects its Intelligence. I like the homebrew stats as they are

 

[Shade]

I found that a bit odd as well. I agree with keeping the high Int .

 

[Cleon]

I'll increase the Homebrews entry to 13 HD. Do ability scores need adjustment as well?

Homebrews: Str —, Dex 16, Con —, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 15

I think they're OK as is, but wouldn't object to throwing a few more points on Charisma.

 

[Shade]

No argument here. Cha 17?