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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5299681" data-attributes="member: 57383">I'd leave off the symbol of pain, since there's no mention of the spines being agonizing.I was interpreting that "save vs. poison" as being more like a Fortitude check to expel the spines before they start working their way in.Maybe that's the approach we should take? 1d6 damage per round until a successful Fortitude save or Heal check is made to expel the spines?How about one of the following:Tail-Spines (Ex) [Random Duration]: A lemon fish's tail is  covered in porcupine-like spines. If the fish hits an opponent with its  tail attack, the opponent must make a DC X Fortitude save or the spines  work their way into their flesh, doing 1d6 piercing damage each round  for 1d4 rounds (1d6 rounds for Medium-sized lemon fish and 1d8 rounds for  Large-sized lemon fish). The spines can be removed with a successful DC 15  Heal check (DC 18 for Medium lemon fish, DC 20 for Large lemon fish). The save DC is Constitution-based. Any creature that grapples a lemon fish must make a DC X Fortitude save  or be impaled by its tail-spines, taking damage as above. Tail-Spines (Ex) [Fort Save To End]: A lemon fish's tail is  covered in porcupine-like spines. If the fish hits an opponent with its  tail attack, the opponent must succeed at a DC X Fortitude save or take  1d6 piercing damage. The spines will work their way into the opponent's  flesh, doing 1d6 piercing damage per round until the opponent succeeds  at a Fortitude (DC X -1 per round after the first), which expels the  spines. The spines can be removed with a successful DC 15  Heal check (DC 18 for Medium lemon fish, DC 20 for Large lemon fish). Any creature that grapples a lemon fish must make a DC X Fortitude save  or be impaled by its tail-spines, taking damage as above. The save DCs are Constitution-based.   Hmm, I think I'll change my mind and go for the "Random Damage" approach.I was going to go for a "poisonous but not poison" approach like that, e.g.:Stun Cloud (Ex): Once per day, an injured lemon fish can release a cloud of chemicals in a 5 ft. spread (10 ft. for a Medium-sized lemon fish, 15 ft. for a Large-sized lemon fish). All living creatures within this cloud except for other lemon fish must succeed at a DC X Fortitude save or be stunned for Y rounds. Creatures with immunity to poison are unaffected, and creatures resistant to poison receive their normal bonus on their saving throws. The save DC is Constitution-based.</blockquote>

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