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<blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 6160607" data-attributes="member: 40227">Uhh, what's a &quot;normal entangle attack&quot; in whatever edition these came from?&nbsp; I'm not seeing that this really corresponds to the entangle spell or even necessarily a net.&nbsp; But, that said, I can go for something similar to what you have.&nbsp; I'd like the victim to be able to escape by dropping the weapon, I'd rather the victim not be able to use somatic components (either in addition to or instead of the Concentration check), and I think it should be harder to establish than a touch attack.&nbsp; Oh, and since the attack is specifically entangling the weapon, I don't think a failed attempt to break out should disentangle the weapon but not the opponent.&nbsp; At the very least, it should be a melee attack since the veils aren't that long, I think.&nbsp; What about this as a compromise?Entangle Weapon (Ex): A Veiled Maidens can ensnare an enemy of up to Large size by succeeding at a melee touch attack. The enemy becomes entangled and can move only within the limits that the veil allows (its X ft. reach).&nbsp; The entangle creature cannot cast spells with somatic components, it must make a DC X Concentration check when attempting to cast any spell or lose the spell or spell slot. Furthermore, if the enemy is carrying a weapon (or similar object, like an instrument or wand) the veil binds the weapon and prevents the enemy from attacking with it (or using the object). If the enemy wields multiple weapons, the Maidens can only entangle one of them, which she must choose when making the attack.The entangled enemy can escape the Maidens' veil by making a DC Y+N Escape Artist check (or DC Z+N Strength check) as a full round action. The enemy or an ally of theirs can also cut the veil (AC A, hardness B*, hp C) with a slashing weapon. This frees the entangled enemy, but the veil immediately reforms.*This hardness is due to the Maidens' steel cloth ability. I'm also starting to wonder if Multiple Actions is a bit much with an ability like this.&nbsp; Entangling 7 enemies at once would be pretty bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="freyar, post: 6160607, member: 40227"] Uhh, what's a "normal entangle attack" in whatever edition these came from? I'm not seeing that this really corresponds to the entangle spell or even necessarily a net. But, that said, I can go for something similar to what you have. I'd like the victim to be able to escape by dropping the weapon, I'd rather the victim not be able to use somatic components (either in addition to or instead of the Concentration check), and I think it should be harder to establish than a touch attack. Oh, and since the attack is specifically entangling the weapon, I don't think a failed attempt to break out should disentangle the weapon but not the opponent. At the very least, it should be a melee attack since the veils aren't that long, I think. What about this as a compromise? Entangle Weapon (Ex): A Veiled Maidens can ensnare an enemy of up to Large size by succeeding at a melee touch attack. The enemy becomes entangled and can move only within the limits that the veil allows (its X ft. reach). The entangle creature cannot cast spells with somatic components, it must make a DC X Concentration check when attempting to cast any spell or lose the spell or spell slot. Furthermore, if the enemy is carrying a weapon (or similar object, like an instrument or wand) the veil binds the weapon and prevents the enemy from attacking with it (or using the object). If the enemy wields multiple weapons, the Maidens can only entangle one of them, which she must choose when making the attack. The entangled enemy can escape the Maidens' veil by making a DC Y+N Escape Artist check (or DC Z+N Strength check) as a full round action. The enemy or an ally of theirs can also cut the veil (AC A, hardness B*, hp C) with a slashing weapon. This frees the entangled enemy, but the veil immediately reforms. *This hardness is due to the Maidens' steel cloth ability. I'm also starting to wonder if Multiple Actions is a bit much with an ability like this. Entangling 7 enemies at once would be pretty bad. [/QUOTE]

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