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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6272499" data-attributes="member: 57383">All the Tumble checks in the SRD are flat DCs, suggesting a flat DC is appropriate. I'd also allow an Escape Artist check to break the connection as well as Tumble.The original ability was a martial arts move, so presumably it would be a melee touch. That said, allowing it to use Sticking Touch through a veil just feels right - they are superhumanly proficient with their veils, after all.So how about allowing the Maidens to use either to establish the connection?Something like:Sticking Touch (Ex): As an attack action, a Veiled Maidens may make a touch attack with either an unarmed strike or veil that, if successful, forms a connection with its opponent that allows the Maidens to feel their opponent's every move.&nbsp; This connection grants the Veiled Maidens a +2 insight&nbsp; bonus to AC and attack rolls against that opponent.&nbsp; The connection can be broken if the opponent&nbsp; succeeds on a DC X Escape Artist check or DC X Tumble check, the Veiled&nbsp; Maidens ends its turn with the opponent outside the reach of its veil (15 ft.), or the Veiled Maidens chooses to release the connection.Not sure about this idea. The Veiled Maidens is essentially a single being with seven bodies, do we want them acting that independently? I'd like to think about it for a bit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6272499, member: 57383"] All the Tumble checks in the SRD are flat DCs, suggesting a flat DC is appropriate. I'd also allow an Escape Artist check to break the connection as well as Tumble. The original ability was a martial arts move, so presumably it would be a melee touch. That said, allowing it to use Sticking Touch through a veil just [I]feels[/I] right - they are superhumanly proficient with their veils, after all. So how about allowing the Maidens to use either to establish the connection? Something like: [B]Sticking Touch (Ex):[/B] As an attack action, a Veiled Maidens may make a touch attack with either an unarmed strike or veil that, if successful, forms a connection with its opponent that allows the Maidens to feel their opponent's every move. This connection grants the Veiled Maidens a +2 insight bonus to AC and attack rolls against that opponent. The connection can be broken if the opponent succeeds on a [COLOR=#FF0000]DC X[/COLOR] Escape Artist check or [COLOR=#FF0000]DC X[/COLOR] Tumble check, the Veiled Maidens ends its turn with the opponent outside the reach of its veil (15 ft.), or the Veiled Maidens chooses to release the connection. Not sure about this idea. The Veiled Maidens is essentially a single being with seven bodies, do we want them acting that independently? I'd like to think about it for a bit. [/QUOTE]

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