Converting original D&D and Mystara monsters

[freyar]

Seems like a reasonable variation.

 

[Cleon]

Good ideas. +2 Str, -2 Cha from hypnos?

Good idea, but I'd make the swap a bit more than that. It's a rather plebeian golem without any Su attacks, so does it need a Charisma bonus?

+4 Str and -4 Cha from Hypnos.

"Warrior" BAB. (I wouldn't give it a fighter's bonus feats, I think these are more like rank-and-file guards than the martial elite)

3 Hit Dice and NA +3.

Applied to the Hypnos that makes something like:

Magen, Demos
Medium Construct
Hit Dice: 3d10+20 (36 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 15 (+2 Dex, +3 natural), touch 12, flat-footed 13
Base Attack/Grapple: +3/+5
Attack: weapon +5 melee (?) or weapon +5 ranged (?)
Full Attack: weapon +5 melee (?) or weapon +5 ranged (?)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Warrior construct
Special Qualities: Construct traits, damage reduction 10/bludgeoning, darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision, spell resistance 7
Saves: Fort +1, Ref +3, Will +1
Abilities: Str 14, Dex 15, Con —, Int 9, Wis 11, Cha 10
Skills: 6
Feats: 2
Environment: Any
Organization: Solitary, brew (2-8), or concoction (2-12 magen of different types)
Challenge Rating: 2
Treasure: ?
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 4-6 HD (Medium)

Warrior Construct (Ex): a demos magen has a full BAB.

 

[Shade]

Added to Homebrews.

A halberd seems a good bodyguard melee weapon. How about a thrown weapon for the ranged weapon, to take advantage of the Str bonus?

The original description said they often wear armor, so shall we garb them in something affordable at that level? Scale mail perhaps?

Listen and Spot for the skills?

 

[Cleon]

Added to Homebrews.

A halberd seems a good bodyguard melee weapon. How about a thrown weapon for the ranged weapon, to take advantage of the Str bonus?

Halberd and throwing axes?

The original description said they often wear armor, so shall we garb them in something affordable at that level? Scale mail perhaps?

I'd suggest a light armour, on the basis that their master won't want to be slowed by waiting for the demos magen to catch up with them.

Studded leather?

Listen and Spot for the skills?

Yup!

 

[Shade]

Sounds good. Updated.

Feats: 2, 2 fighter bonus feats
Point Blank Shot, Power Attack, Precise Shot, Weapon Focus (halberd)?

The ranged feats are so it won't endanger its master if he's engaged in battle.

 

[freyar]

These look really good! And so do the feats.

I think these might make it up to CR 3.

Ready to tweak construction? Change charm person and suggestion to something like magic weapon or greater magic weapon?

 

[Shade]

Perfect! I think greater magic weapon is probably appropriate.

They kind of straddle the line between CR 2 and 3. Let's see what Cleon thinks.

 

[freyar]

Also need to change some "hypnos" in the construction to "demos." Should we think about tweaking the price based on the CR too?

 

[Shade]

Yeah, if we're boosting the CR we should probably boost the price.

 

[Cleon]

These look really good! And so do the feats.

I think these might make it up to CR 3.

Ready to tweak construction? Change charm person and suggestion to something like magic weapon or greater magic weapon?

It doesn't have any enhancement bonuses to its attacks so I'm against magic weapon.

How about bull's strength to explain its higher Strength?

I wonder whether these fellows be as expensive as Hypnos since they are more of a "vanilla fighter" construct. We could knock a thousand gp off their market value (Price 4,000 gp, Cost 2,500 gp + 120 XP) I suppose.

They're already pretty cheap, so it could be better to leave them at 5,000 gp.

EDIT: Oh, and the feats look good and I'd vote for CR 2.

EDIT: Upon reflection they should be 5,000 gp considering a low-level fighter is as good as a low-level wizard. Should we add the equipment cost of the armour and weapons on top of that?