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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 3362320" data-attributes="member: 1241">Given that the CR range is very small, whereas the HD range should be bigger, I'd rather start with HD and let the CR-chips fall where they may, accordingly.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The 1E pit fiend had 13 HD, which if you assume an average of 4.5 on a d8 would mean the average one would have 58 hp; thus, a whole lot less than the average duke.Moloch should still be powerful like the other archdevils, but of course his political influence and the advantages of controlling a whole layer are gone.  It still shows that he was merely one of the most powerful dukes before gaining his own layer, since he has the same hp as Amon.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Going by the assumption that a pit fiend would have had 58 hp, then the absolute weakest of the unique devils was Lilis, who was just a little bit more powerful than a pit fiend (in terms of hp at least).  The weakest of the original archdevils were Moloch, Geryon, and Mammon (again, in terms of hp).  Almost all of the dukes had fewer hp than Moloch; the only exceptions being Bael, Amon, Gorson, and Buer (who tie with him), Chamo, Herodias, Adramalech, and Zagum (who are slightly higher than him), Bune and Morax (who are higher than Geryon), and Bifrons (who is even higher than Mammon!); all dukes are below Dispater in terms of HD though, which supports my statement that the projected CRs should be below his BoVD stats.Speaking of BoVD stats, let’s have a quick look at the HDs of some of those lords: Dispater 34, Mammon 34, Belial 36, Baalzebul 38, Mephistopheles 38, and Asmodeus 35 (for some unknown reason).  A 3.5 pit fiend has 18 HD.  So, likely, Lilis would be at 19 or 20 HD, and we could put Bifrons as high as 34, making all others fall somewhere in between.  What we need to do is figure out a scale.Here’s a possible method; going up by 6’s.  HD – 1E hp21 – 60-6622 – 66-7223 – 72-7824 – 78-8425 – 84-9026 – 90-9627 – 96-10228 – 102-10829 – 108-11430 – 114-12031 – 120-12632 – 126-13233 – 132-13834 – 138-144Going that way, most dukes would have HD in the mid-high 20s, with a few breaking over 30, and only some of the consorts going below 25 HD.  I’d be willing to adjust that down by one, if you feel strongly that the dukes should all be at least one step below the archdevils HD-wise, but I’d put even Lilis at no less than 20-HD.(Tiamat)Amduscias - 92Malphas - 90Nergal - 106Bist - 90Caim - 93Armaros - 99Azazel - 97Cahor - 93Dagon - 91Duskur - 111Kochibel - 104Malarea - 96Nisroch - 99Rumjal - 100Dispater - 144Lilis - 66Titivilus - 86Arioch - 123Biffant - 84Merodach - 92Alocer - 90Bitru - 99Mammon - 139Bael - 126Glasya - 69Focalor - 121Caarcrinolaas - 104Melchon - 101Belial - 154Naome - 69Chamo - 131Balan - 112Bathym - 102Gaziel - 116Geryon - 133Cozbi - 67Amon - 126Gorson - 126Herodias - 129Agares - 119Machalas - 122Moloch - 126Lilith - 71Tartach - 114Bileth - 121Baalzebul - 166Baftis - 79Neabaz - 124Barbatos - 122Abigor - 120Zepar - 118Mephistopheles - 188Baalphegor - 82Hutijin - 111Bele - 112Adonides - 121Barbas - 110Bifrons - 141Asmodeus - 199Bensozia - 86Adramalech - 133Phongor - 129Buer - 126Bune - 136Morax - 135Rimmon - 125Zagum - 127</blockquote>

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