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<blockquote data-quote="Kain Darkwind" data-source="post: 3497229" data-attributes="member: 23011">Well, one way to deal with that is to stat up an advanced abishai ourselves, thus creating the statblock for those that use it.&nbsp; I am 100% in agreement that DMs shouldn't have to run all over the place just to figure out how to use the statblock.&nbsp; The entire purpose is making things easier for DMs, not harder.As for what other devils are suited, I admit I'm at a bit of a loss.&nbsp; If these guys still serve Tiamat rather then Bel, maybe a fiendish dragon would work?&nbsp; I'd say a hellfire wyrm, but that would likely be overkill, even if the CR was revised.Otherwise, as Dukes of Hell, they don't need to just summon devils closely associated with Tiamat.&nbsp; What are they associated with?&nbsp; Fierna can summon hamatula because they are associated with pain and the 4th Hell, like she is.&nbsp; I do think we should keep the summoning automatic though.&nbsp; Like I said, a pit fiend (CR 20) can automatically summon 2/day a horned devil (CR 15).&nbsp; If you are doing percents, that is 75% of its original CR.&nbsp; Moving over to the demons, a balor can summon another balor.&nbsp; Again, automatically.&nbsp; We shouldn't be shy about allowing some serious EL to be summoned by the dukes.&nbsp; If we use regular abishai, I'd say even 4d8 isn't too serious of an impact on the CR.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kain Darkwind, post: 3497229, member: 23011"] Well, one way to deal with that is to stat up an advanced abishai ourselves, thus creating the statblock for those that use it. I am 100% in agreement that DMs shouldn't have to run all over the place just to figure out how to use the statblock. The entire purpose is making things easier for DMs, not harder. As for what other devils are suited, I admit I'm at a bit of a loss. If these guys still serve Tiamat rather then Bel, maybe a fiendish dragon would work? I'd say a hellfire wyrm, but that would likely be overkill, even if the CR was revised. Otherwise, as Dukes of Hell, they don't need to just summon devils closely associated with Tiamat. What are [i]they[/i] associated with? Fierna can summon hamatula because they are associated with pain and the 4th Hell, like she is. I do think we should keep the summoning automatic though. Like I said, a pit fiend (CR 20) can automatically summon 2/day a horned devil (CR 15). If you are doing percents, that is 75% of its original CR. Moving over to the demons, a balor can summon another balor. Again, automatically. We shouldn't be shy about allowing some serious EL to be summoned by the dukes. If we use regular abishai, I'd say even 4d8 isn't too serious of an impact on the CR. [/QUOTE]

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