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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 986673" data-attributes="member: 5834">reDo you want to explain why a WIZARD shouldn't have spells that make such things easy? Do you and I read different books? That is what wizards do, make things easy through the use of magic.If your idea of a greater challenge is limiting wizards duration on important utility spells then I don't know what to tell you. I never had much trouble challenging wizards. The Fly spell really only worked for the wizard, so the other party members still had to find a way across the chasm.If the wizard was the only going into the king's castle to listen in on the conversation, then his invisibility better not drop. A wizard is not a rogue and will not be able to hide or move silently well to evade the gaurds. As far as I am concerned, the rogue would be the one most likely to enter that castle and the wizard would be casting the invisibility on him to help him further.The only thing this change did is force dependency on magic items. There will now be more Rings of Invisibility, more purchasing of magic items that provide Fly and more purchasing of stat enhancing magic items. I think they should have just stuck with a few of the changes such as limiting how many times the Empower Spell feat can be applied and limiting the effects of other abusive metamagic feats rather than altering so many spells.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 986673, member: 5834"] [b]re[/b] Do you want to explain why a [b]WIZARD[/b] shouldn't have spells that make such things easy? Do you and I read different books? That is what wizards do, make things easy through the use of magic. If your idea of a greater challenge is limiting wizards duration on important utility spells then I don't know what to tell you. I never had much trouble challenging wizards. The [i]Fly[/i] spell really only worked for the wizard, so the other party members still had to find a way across the chasm. If the wizard was the only going into the king's castle to listen in on the conversation, then his invisibility better not drop. A wizard is not a rogue and will not be able to hide or move silently well to evade the gaurds. As far as I am concerned, the rogue would be the one most likely to enter that castle and the wizard would be casting the invisibility on him to help him further. The only thing this change did is force dependency on magic items. There will now be more [i]Rings of Invisibility[/i], more purchasing of magic items that provide [i]Fly[/i] and more purchasing of stat enhancing magic items. I think they should have just stuck with a few of the changes such as limiting how many times the [i]Empower Spell[/i] feat can be applied and limiting the effects of other abusive metamagic feats rather than altering so many spells. [/QUOTE]

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