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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 987623" data-attributes="member: 3801">Why do people keep complaining that things aren't &quot;Core&quot;?&nbsp; Are you telling me that there's a whole bunch of people who just buy 3 books and never ever ever buy another d20 book?&nbsp; Not even those by WOTC?&nbsp; I mean, that's fine if you do, BUT THE POINT OF THE D20 SYSTEM IS TO ALLOW OTHERS TO MAKE SUPPORT MATERIAL.&nbsp; Get that?&nbsp; That's WHY they converted to d20.&nbsp; That's the point.&nbsp; So that you have more options.&nbsp; Therefore, the core rules need to be solid, so that as much of the additional stuff as possible is also stable.&nbsp; I was under the impression that several other D20 companies were selling things too, and at a decent volume.&nbsp; I would bet my collection that there are only a handful of you &quot;Core-Purists&quot; that just use 3 books and that's it.&nbsp; So don't judge me by your spartan standards.Second, it's not hard for a fighter to get close to a dragon if you really want.&nbsp; Just get the cleric to scry and find one, cast fly, improved invisiblilty, and silence, and you're off.&nbsp; At 18th level, you've got over half a day to slowly approach the beast.&nbsp; Once you're near, 12 seconds later you've got one dead dragon.Oh, but most of that has been fixed in 3.5, so that shouldn't be a problem any more.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Of course, you too missed the point of my comparison.&nbsp; See above for another explanation of what I was trying to achieve.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 987623, member: 3801"] Why do people keep complaining that things aren't "Core"? Are you telling me that there's a whole bunch of people who just buy 3 books and never ever ever buy another d20 book? Not even those by WOTC? I mean, that's fine if you do, BUT THE POINT OF THE D20 SYSTEM IS TO ALLOW OTHERS TO MAKE SUPPORT MATERIAL. Get that? That's WHY they converted to d20. That's the point. So that you have more options. Therefore, the core rules need to be solid, so that as much of the additional stuff as possible is also stable. I was under the impression that several other D20 companies were selling things too, and at a decent volume. I would bet my collection that there are only a handful of you "Core-Purists" that just use 3 books and that's it. So don't judge me by your spartan standards. Second, it's not hard for a fighter to get close to a dragon if you really want. Just get the cleric to scry and find one, cast fly, improved invisiblilty, and silence, and you're off. At 18th level, you've got over half a day to slowly approach the beast. Once you're near, 12 seconds later you've got one dead dragon. Oh, but most of that has been fixed in 3.5, so that shouldn't be a problem any more. :) Of course, you too missed the point of my comparison. See above for another explanation of what I was trying to achieve. [/QUOTE]

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