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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis the Doomseer" data-source="post: 987904" data-attributes="member: 12455">Originally posted by rushlight Why do people keep complaining that things aren't &quot;Core&quot;?&nbsp; Are you telling me that there's a whole bunch of people who just buy 3 books and never ever ever buy another d20 book?&nbsp; Not even those by WOTC?&nbsp; I mean, that's fine if you do, BUT THE POINT OF THE D20 SYSTEM IS TO ALLOW OTHERS TO MAKE SUPPORT MATERIAL.Sure.&nbsp; Okay.&nbsp; But try answering these questions:1. Did the dragon have access to any 3rd party feats, spells, PrCs or Magic Items?&nbsp; You know, like you PC had access to.&nbsp; Imagine a Dragon with Assassin Sense, Improved Crit (Bite) and Keen Edge cast on his bite attack.&nbsp; Or how about some of the elemental aura spells out there, double or triple empowered by a metamagic rod and a couple of levels of Arcanatrix?2. Why is the dragon standing still, letting you get into melee?&nbsp; Why isn't it using fly-by attacks, ranged spells/breath, feats which enhance its fear auras, etc?3. Why doesn't the dragon use feats like Leadership?&nbsp; or (since we are talking a CR25 creature) Epic feats/classes/etc?4. We are talking an evil dragon here - no Book of Vile Darkness stuff?In essence you are saying that your PC, using a whole bunch of non-core, unbalanced stuff, taken out of the context of that particular campaign setting for which it was meant managed to defeat an unmodified, 'stock' dragon fighting as if it were a 1st level Goblin commoner with a dagger?&nbsp; Get serious.&nbsp; Get that?&nbsp; That's WHY they converted to d20.&nbsp; That's the point.&nbsp; So that you have more options.You DM is using Scarred Lands materials in a non-SL setting and finding it unbalanced?&nbsp; I. Am. Shocked. And/Or. Appalled.&nbsp; Maybe the DM will think and look over third-party stuff before just waving in anything and everything, with an eye to how various things balance each other out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis the Doomseer, post: 987904, member: 12455"] [i]Originally posted by rushlight [/i] [B]Why do people keep complaining that things aren't "Core"? Are you telling me that there's a whole bunch of people who just buy 3 books and never ever ever buy another d20 book? Not even those by WOTC? I mean, that's fine if you do, BUT THE POINT OF THE D20 SYSTEM IS TO ALLOW OTHERS TO MAKE SUPPORT MATERIAL.[/b] Sure. Okay. But try answering these questions: 1. Did the dragon have access to any 3rd party feats, spells, PrCs or Magic Items? You know, like you PC had access to. Imagine a Dragon with Assassin Sense, Improved Crit (Bite) and Keen Edge cast on his bite attack. Or how about some of the elemental aura spells out there, double or triple empowered by a metamagic rod and a couple of levels of Arcanatrix? 2. Why is the dragon standing still, letting you get into melee? Why isn't it using fly-by attacks, ranged spells/breath, feats which enhance its fear auras, etc? 3. Why doesn't the dragon use feats like Leadership? or (since we are talking a CR25 creature) Epic feats/classes/etc? 4. We are talking an evil dragon here - no Book of Vile Darkness stuff? In essence you are saying that your PC, using a whole bunch of non-core, unbalanced stuff, [i][b]taken out of the context of that particular campaign setting for which it was meant[/b][/i] managed to defeat an unmodified, 'stock' dragon fighting as if it were a 1st level Goblin commoner with a dagger? Get serious. [b] Get that? That's WHY they converted to d20. That's the point. So that you have more options.[/b] You DM is using Scarred Lands materials in a non-SL setting and finding it unbalanced? I. Am. Shocked. And/Or. Appalled. Maybe the DM will think and look over third-party stuff before just waving in anything and everything, with an eye to how various things balance each other out. [/QUOTE]

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