Converting True Dragons

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freyar said:
Breath Weapon (Su): The jade dragon's breath weapon is a powerful cone of sonic energy. Anyone in the cone of the breath who does not make a successful Reflex save versus damage must also make a Fortitude save (at the same DC) or be deafened for 3 rounds per age category of the dragon and rendered unconscious for 1 round per age category of the dragon.

How's that seem?

Seems good :)
 

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freyar said:
Hehe, I'm sure you'll be thrilled to know that some of the rows in the table aren't aligned properly and that I think you have the size categories off by one in the advancement line. :heh:

<faints>

freyar said:
Taking a shot at the breath weapon (I guess the damage and DC in the table look ok):

Breath Weapon (Su): The jade dragon's breath weapon is a powerful cone of sonic energy. Anyone in the cone of the breath who does not make a successful Reflex save versus damage must also make a Fortitude save (at the same DC) or be deafened for 3 rounds per age category of the dragon and rendered unconscious for 1 round per age category of the dragon.

How's that seem?

<recovers>

That seems good.

Jade dragons speak their own language, and they can communicate telepathically with any other creature having that ability, as well as creatures with Intelligences of 18 or higher.

Telepathy 100 ft. or x ft./age category?
 


The Fortitude save for unconsciousness and deafness works. As for the charm effect, since the dragon has to talk, it effectively has a verbal component and won't work in a silenced area.
 

RavinRay said:
The Fortitude save for unconsciousness and deafness works. As for the charm effect, since the dragon has to talk, it effectively has a verbal component and won't work in a silenced area.

Is it possible for it to use its telepathic ability to "speak" to deafened opponents, for purposes of Charming them?
 

dhaga said:
Is it possible for it to use its telepathic ability to "speak" to deafened opponents, for purposes of Charming them?

I think that's something we need to decide. How about this (we can leave in or take out the underlined bit depending on telepathy)?

Beguile (Sp): Using its riddling ways, a jade dragon can enchant anyone within 90 ft (or Xft/age category?) who is not involved in combat or otherwise distracted. Anyone who can hear the jade dragon speak or can "hear" it due to its telepathy ability must make a Will save or be subject to a suggestion by the dragon (at its caster level). A creature that saves against a jade dragon's beguile ability is immune to that dragon's beguile ability for 24 hours. The save DC is Charisma based.

Should the dragon only get this at a certain age, also?
 

We can mine this for inspiration,from the cataboligne updated in the recent Expedition to Greyhawk:

Captivating Voice (Su): A cataboligne's voice sounds like tht of a human woman. When it speaks, one designated humanoid, fey, or giant within 30 feet must succeed on a DC 22 Will save or become captivated and functions as if affected by the spell charm monster, although it remains charmed only until the demon's next action. If the cataboligne continues to speak to that victim, the effect persists (no save), but if the demon stops speaking or speaks to a different target, the victim recovers immediately from the effect. Captivating voice is a sonic, mind-affecting, language-dependent charm effect. A creature that successfully saves cannot be affected again by the same cataboligne's speech for 24 hours. The cataboligne can use its captivating voice as a free action, but can target only one creature per round. The save DC for this ability is Charisma-based.

A captivated victim walks toward the cataboligne, taking the most direct route available. If the path leads into a dangerous area (through flame, off a cliff, or the like), that creature gets a second saving throw. Captivated creatures can take no actions other than to defend themselves. (Thus, a fighter cannot run away or attack but takes no defensive penalties.) A victim within 5 feet of the cataboligne stands there and offers no resistance to the monster's attacks. A bard's countersong ability allows the captivated creature to attempt a new Will save.
 

Since the jade dragon is an Oriental dragon, we could mine the lung dragons for inspiration as well. Blink is reminiscent of lung dragon's plane shift ability, and telepathy to detect thoughts, for example.

The beguile ability could be acquired the same age as frightful presence, since both rely on Will saves.
 

RavinRay said:
Since the jade dragon is an Oriental dragon, we could mine the lung dragons for inspiration as well. Blink is reminiscent of lung dragon's plane shift ability, and telepathy to detect thoughts, for example.

So these would be for the spell-like abilities list, in addition to the other powers? Sounds good if so.

RavinRay said:
The beguile ability could be acquired the same age as frightful presence, since both rely on Will saves.

Good call.
 

RavinRay's suggestions are good. Maybe also a sidebar that jade dragons are lung dragons if you use Oriental Adventures?
 

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