Cooperating on Item Creation

In order for two characters to cooperate in the creation of a magic item, do both need to have the relevant item creation feat, or can one supply the feat and the other the spell (for instance). I assumed the latter at first but then realized that rules don't actually address the issue directly. One could interpret the cooperation rule as assuming both have the creation feat and that the sharing of prerequisities is helpful only when there are multiple prerequisites beyond the creation feat (i.e. spells, skill ranks, race, etc.) and neither collaborator has them all while the two collectively do. Opinions welcome and anything official especially appreciated.

• Prerequisites: Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind. The prerequisites for creation of an item are given immediately following the item’s caster level.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.
Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat).
When two spells at the end of a list are separated by “or,” one of those spells is required in addition to every other spell mentioned prior to the last two.
 

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Magus Coeruleus said:
[...] Opinions welcome [...]

Hi!
I don't see/read anything that stipulates the requirement for both collaborators
to have the Craft Item feat beyond the "sentence" that both have to agree on who's the creator.

It's like two people that go to the movies. Both have to have a ticket to watch the film but only one has to pay. We assume that both people have money in their moneybags, but that may not be true. If both agree on who pays for the two of them, both may enjoy the movie.

Hope that helps :)

Kind regards
 

I agree with your first reading: "with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites" means, IMO, one can provide the feat while another can provide the spell, for example.
For example, if one is a 1st level wizard that provides magic missile and the other is a 10th level wizard that provides the crafting feat, by the rules it seems the caster level on the magic missile can be set to 10, OR the caster level is limited to 1 but the 1st level wizard gets to pay the XP.

That's how I read it, anyways.
 
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Yup... it says multiple people can provide prerequisites, and one of the prerequisites is always the feat. If everyone had to have the feat, then it would say so.

-The Souljourner
 

QUOTE=The Souljourner Yup... it says multiple people can provide prerequisites, and one of the prerequisites is always the feat. If everyone had to have the feat, then it would say so.

Now how about the XP. prerequisite being provided by say a fighter who contributes nothing but the XP.

The Aimster
 

aimster said:
Now how about the XP. prerequisite being provided by say a fighter who contributes nothing but the XP.
Well...
XP is not a requirement, it's a cost. If the fighter somehow does participate by providing some requirement (perhaps alignment, or casting a spell via a magic item) then he can cooperate with another to make the item (he can't just participate by standing there, he has to contribute a prerequisite -
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites.
However,
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.
So if the fighter pays the XP then he sets the item's caster level, which will probably mean caster level of zero... not exactly a functioning magic item.

Personally, I always try to provide a way around this to ease the creation of character-suiting magic items (for example, for my latest game I made up a glove of lifestealing) but that falls into house rules.
 
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In our campaigns, we have a house rule which allows another individual to provide upto half the XP cost. This way when casters make items for non-casters, they don't fall behind XP wise.

Basically the caster taps into the life force of the other to help bind the magic to the item.

It is a house rule, but not too unbalanced.
 

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